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Originally posted by HuskerKC
I don't actually want a new team. New teams are part of what is screwing this game.

oh I know that, but if you want to be competitive quicker is all I meant

Damn. This game is back to the forum as of players logging in as it was 4/5 months ago.

was that last post English?

my brother and i own a team, and we kind of like the challenge of rebuilding. it seems that we've been able to turn the team around fairly quickly. everyone seems to want the gratification of winning right away... well, maybe we need to have half human teams and half computer teams in each league. that way everybody wins! lame.

Originally posted by HuskerKC
I don't know what to do. I just gotta keep waiting and waiting but if it is going to be like 3 or 4 more seasons till my team can really compete then what is the point paying real money in the mean time. I enjoy the game but if there is such little hope I just don't see the point. I could sell and try and buy a new team next year but I like this league and my team you know. I just hate putting in time and money into a sinking ship.

The only way for the game to get better is for us to stop putting money into it. You shouldn't need to base your success strategy on getting a capped team with all level 13s that boost to 16 In order to get a head start on the competition, which is all this game has come to. Most times the new teams don't even get off the ground and the ones that do that win 2 or 3 games give up, then you get the ones that do really well only to throw their conference game so they don't get promoted so they can own the league again. It is utter crap to say the least.

HuskerKC - my advice to you would be to stop spending money on the game and work with what you got. Get yourself enough referals to at least extend your ownership to keep your team and ride out the shitty time until you can see where the game is going or at least until something better comes along. That is what I am doing.

Bearphin - There has been a known bias towards Alpha testers and Mods this whole time and there is definitely a bias in whos suggestions get recognized and whos don't. I think you shold attach yorself to the ideas and suggestions that are at least getting looked at by Bort and put yor input in there. GG is probably one of the better idea mans there is and he has the greater good of the game involved with his suggestins for sure. At least you do try to voice your ideas and opinions. We really need pressure from the whole community to get the game going in the right direction and I urge more ofyo to go to the Suggestion Forum and participate.

Originally posted by garf112
was that last post English?



my brother and i own a team, and we kind of like the challenge of rebuilding. it seems that we've been able to turn the team around fairly quickly. everyone seems to want the gratification of winning right away... well, maybe we need to have half human teams and half computer teams in each league. that way everybody wins! lame.

It isn't really about instant gratification for people like HuskerKC and many others. He has done nothing but stuck with that team the whole way. You need to educate yourself more about the workings of the game. I commend you for having fun rebuilding as you say, I don't know the full details of your team and it is not unheard of to turn around gutted or bad teams. However, the structure works against those situations more than anything. I am sure you have heard the term "the rich get richer" and GLB is perpetuating that to a T. Parity should be the one standard that the structure of the game tries to maintain and keep intact.

Originally posted by garf112
was that last post English?

my brother and i own a team, and we kind of like the challenge of rebuilding. it seems that we've been able to turn the team around fairly quickly. everyone seems to want the gratification of winning right away... well, maybe we need to have half human teams and half computer teams in each league. that way everybody wins! lame.

That's just it thought. I love a challenge but this is like trying to climb the Sears Tower which by the way is something I cannot do. You could gameplan perfect but if the team your are playing out levels you then you lose and usually big. Also, getting players on your team that will push you to be competative is crazy hard especially when you need to spart paying for level 24 gear. I guess you can choose not to pay for gear but then your really just another level below those that can afford it. Thats all i'm sayin

For what it's worth I think that this is part of the ebb and flow of the game. The teams with some success (bottom four playoffs) can succeed but it takes time. As salaries get higher only teams with great finances can afford them. This will trend downwards the decent players. Only the top teams will get the top players and those teams will rise to the top of the various leagues and play each other.

I think a couple people on here are disenfranchised (hint: ribbit) and that everyone should evaluate their own level of fun and activity. I have not been posting in the bbb#12 forums because I am busy balancing spreadsheets, resigning and evaluating players, etc... I think the activity level will pick back up soon.

This league is an old one. A gutted team in this league is SOOOOO far behind that it's really kinda unfair. It does take time I know that but that time will not come unless other teams totally crap out. I mean look at TECMO. They moved up and then they must have sold their team or something. But now they are down hear and I expect to be better than them. It really seems like my only hope to elevate in this league is wait for others to lose interest or decide to gut their team or something. If 6 or 8 of the better teams stay the course then my team will never be able to compete. That's the way I see it.

Originally posted by HuskerKC
This league is an old one. A gutted team in this league is SOOOOO far behind that it's really kinda unfair. It does take time I know that but that time will not come unless other teams totally crap out. I mean look at TECMO. They moved up and then they must have sold their team or something. But now they are down hear and I expect to be better than them. It really seems like my only hope to elevate in this league is wait for others to lose interest or decide to gut their team or something. If 6 or 8 of the better teams stay the course then my team will never be able to compete. That's the way I see it.

You are 100% correct. What fun is it to wait until other teams flame out so you can compete. Also, I really don't think gameplanning makes much a difference. We just anihilated the Boston team 56-0 who was according to the scouting bars pretty even ( Ya the scouting bars are not suppose to mean much, even still when I looked at their roster they looked even enough to me) and My team still only uses the Basic settings. All I have in my O AI is a couple 4th down situaions to go for it on and I took out any Goalline Offense. As far as Defensive AI my DC has been inactive for while and I went in and deleted most of what he had set up and adjusted it to use my base D and a nickel D for 3 WRs and Dime for 4+ WRs that only use the basic settings. We don't even gameplan anymore, I am set up to do wht my team does best and that is that. I don't see me changeing that stuff all year.



chrisj909 - Of course I am disenfranchised, how are you not? So your okay with the ebb and flow that has the Rich teams getting Richer with every advantage built into the structur of the game? If your wasting your time with spread sheets then your complicating this game more than it is worth at this point. You also need to go to the Suggestion forum and read about the issues that are making this game fail.

Me and my friends on the fight are still having a lot of fun. Spreadsheets are needed when you have concerns over when and how much to pay people, versus building seats, etc... I have to admit in my third season we are sitting pretty financially and that is a big difference in my opinion versus someone at the bottom of that ladder.

I'm still having fun also. I guess I'll see how the next couple of seasons go. I know they are trying to make this game better but I don't see how my team is really going to move up. It's not crazy hard to keep guys if you got a decent group for the team forum but trying to sign guys that are mid to upper 20's just does not happen as far as I can tell. Most of the time they want to be on a "winning" team and if not they want me to give them like a 200,000 signing bonus. I'm not in a place to offer either of those. Plus my stadium is about two years behind the rest of this league. I would be really surprised if I'm able to add another section next year.

Just a word on a possible way to start. I signed all players to a 1 year for the first season to be sure they were happy with me and the team and I was happy with them. Now you can do the shorter contracts so that might be the way to go and of course for those no bonus, and really now just a min bonus since you can fund them through the eq fund. After that 2-3 year contracts to control cost over the long haul.
Next build all the seats you can, and look to charge 1.5 to 2 times the expect price for seats. Not sure how many you've sold for the season but if you still have more seats to sell, think about taking a loan to build out all the sections you have now. Whenever you build a section, build out all the seats, this was my mistake and only now am I finally catching up 3 seasons later. Pay back the loan on the seat sales and bump up the concession prices to as much as you can it should be about $200K a game so that will give you $1.6m also for the season. And at the end of the season on the last day if you do not have money to build at least one section than take the loan again to build one section, I'd do a corner for $1m and then use the $0.5m and add $160K to build out all the seats at the start of the new season and then repay the loan as soon as season ticket sales come in.
That should get you a solid base and just be upfront with the players on the money front. It is tuff but once they are on the team most seem to understand... and of course recruit their friends... networking is the only way to stock teams, or at least the best way since over half of your recruiting will be done for you as if they like you they'll help get their friends on the team.

Awesome

And again, ask around and if you know any other owners on teams you respect check with them too. This is just my opinion and from just taking a quick look at your stadium and seats... you have something to build on in my opinion but then again this is from the clown that didn't build out all the seats in our first season
Oh and as some teams have shown and was mentioned, playing 3 home playoff games and then losing that final one and doing it all over again next season REALLY helps with the money and stadium... Curse you HHB!!!!