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I'm just glad that there is still debate over this despite the developer saying "yes, carrying reduces drops".

I'll make sure my team takes advantage of that info You non-believers keep going with your drops.

I don't think anyone is non-believing that carrying contributes in someway to catching. The issue is at what point does carrying take over for catching and how important of a difference does it make or rather, is it worth increasing carry if it only helps on drops where you are hit by the defender or would it be more beneficial to put those points in speed so you have more separation from the defender and thus aren't getting hit as you catch.

So I boost my WR, put 10 pts into carrying bring it from 23 to 33...he has 50 catching, 4 sticky hands...and he responds with 4 drops

Originally posted by Oren74
So I boost my WR, put 10 pts into carrying bring it from 23 to 33...he has 50 catching, 4 sticky hands...and he responds with 4 drops

Haha! And your WR only had 8 drops the entire last season.

Originally posted by Oren74
I'm just glad that there is still debate over this despite the developer saying "yes, carrying reduces drops".

I'll make sure my team takes advantage of that info You non-believers keep going with your drops.

Point of fact he didn't say that at all. He said it helps you catch the ball when the CB gets to it while you're 'juggling'. Those were previously categorized as PDs and seem to be still this season, as one would expect.

So what carrying does is help you in this sub-sub-sub-sub category.

- The QB has, for other reasons nothing to do with how high or low your carrying is, threw the ball to you.
- The pass was close enough for you to get to.
- You 'gathered' in the ball.
- You juggle it.
- The CB gets to you during the 1 second youre juggling.

That's the sequence of events that have to occur for carrying to help in 'catching'. And, again, it wont reduce drops it will increase times you catch the ball after a PD.

Originally posted by Oren74
So I boost my WR, put 10 pts into carrying bring it from 23 to 33...he has 50 catching, 4 sticky hands...and he responds with 4 drops

I just hope one day Bort doesn't say he gets a kick out of his wr. Then you and the other chicken littles will rush out and spend 9 dollars increasing your kicking to 23 and then cry about how you still dropped the ball.

Originally posted by Mob-6
I don't think anyone is non-believing that carrying contributes in someway to catching. The issue is at what point does carrying take over for catching and how important of a difference does it make or rather, is it worth increasing carry if it only helps on drops where you are hit by the defender or would it be more beneficial to put those points in speed so you have more separation from the defender and thus aren't getting hit as you catch.

Why don't you (or any other WR wondering) just watch your game replays and see how often you drop the ball because of contact? This doesn't need to be theoretical, go watch your plays!

Originally posted by Dravz
Originally posted by Mob-6

I don't think anyone is non-believing that carrying contributes in someway to catching. The issue is at what point does carrying take over for catching and how important of a difference does it make or rather, is it worth increasing carry if it only helps on drops where you are hit by the defender or would it be more beneficial to put those points in speed so you have more separation from the defender and thus aren't getting hit as you catch.

Why don't you (or any other WR wondering) just watch your game replays and see how often you drop the ball because of contact? This doesn't need to be theoretical, go watch your plays!

If you look at the replays I posted on page 1, they look like the WR catches the ball then drops it when he gets hit, but they're all classed as deflections rather than drops.

Originally posted by Viscount

If you look at the replays I posted on page 1, they look like the WR catches the ball then drops it when he gets hit, but they're all classed as deflections rather than drops.

So judging by those it looks like it happens once per game, and 20% of the time it happens twice per game? Is that often enough to be worth worrying about to you? I don't care what decision you reach but it's a decision you can make for yourself based on your own replays.

To me though this answers that critical question of what causes that 'bobble' right as you catch the ball. Raising catching didn't make that bobble go away, but I'm betting that's carrying's effect on the catch. If my little theory is correct then carrying would help receivers a ton because it would reduce/eliminate that pause after the catch that so often kills YAC.

Well I think carrying will only really help if the WR gets hit, so he holds on to the ball. It's just like in real life when you catch the ball (catching) and then tuck it away (carrying).

I disagree with your 'bobble' theory, as if a WR bobbles the ball he's not in control of it therefore he hasn't caught it. And Bort stated that catching determines if he controls the ball.

I've posted this multiple times, from the skills guide thread:

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by Jed

For a WR, at what point does Catching stop and Carrying start? I see this turning into a "does he have control of the ball" thing, but will Catching keep working until he has full control and then Carrying kick in? Or will Carrying kick in as soon as the ball touches the receivers hand(s)?

Catching determines if he gets control of the ball from a pass. Carrying determines if he holds onto it when getting tackled, including getting tackled right right after catching it.

Originally posted by Dravz
If my little theory is correct then carrying would help receivers a ton because it would reduce/eliminate that pause after the catch that so often kills YAC.

Raising catching increases your chance to not lose speed while catching the ball!
It's one of the many benefits of knowing how, when and where to catch!

Weee!


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Originally posted by Bort

Originally posted by Mobius


Wouldn't it make sense that the sim would have some sort of transition phase from catching to carry for YAC? If the defender hits the receiver anytime during this short phase the ball could get dislodged causing a drop or incomplete?

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Originally posted by zollins5


Originally posted by Bort


Originally posted by Mobius



Wouldn't it make sense that the sim would have some sort of transition phase from catching to carry for YAC? If the defender hits the receiver anytime during this short phase the ball could get dislodged causing a drop or incomplete?

I love to watch monkeys in the jungle. The WR forum is awesome. Bumblebee tuna is my favorite! Who knows how to get to Sesame Street? Someone stole my Cookies!


Not saying anyone made this up, just saying be careful, the things you read may not always be true!


Well the Bort quote was true this time though .

I know, I was just messing around with it lol.