Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Madd_Maxx
Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA

Put all equipment into one stat, so #1.

Disagree, I would increase agility even if the other equipment is in speed.

Why? It's clearly less efficient.

Originally posted by ZeroTolerance
I have to say, the intense training combinations kind of suck for this build. Vision can't be paired with anything that would have decent training value (as spd/agi are already over 1st/2nd cap), same with stamina.

Agreed. My plan with my new DE is to train speed+stamina for a bit, then speed+agility, then once I put points into speed to move on to agility+vision.

Originally posted by HATEMOBSTER
Why is my RE having such a hard time getting hurries and sacks? Level 30. 70 speed 65 agility, but can't get around the tackle to save his life!

Vision? Tunnel vision?

so he is lvl 23 right now but this is what he will look like at lvl 24
Strength: 44.95
Blocking: 20.64
Speed: 70
Tackling: 28.59
Agility: 60
Throwing: 8
Jumping: 14.35
Catching: 9
Stamina: 31.54
Carrying: 10
Vision: 35.03
Kicking: 8
Confidence: 19.53
Punting: 9

2-2-4-6-0
pass rush tree

im not sure why im not producing
one reason prolly is cuz he is lvl 23 playing against lvl 27+ ot

You don't have enough agility.

Agility > Speed

Originally posted by miked33
Originally posted by ZeroTolerance

I have to say, the intense training combinations kind of suck for this build. Vision can't be paired with anything that would have decent training value (as spd/agi are already over 1st/2nd cap), same with stamina.

Agreed. My plan with my new DE is to train speed+stamina for a bit, then speed+agility, then once I put points into speed to move on to agility+vision.

At what point should we push up speed to the soft cap with the new training system? I'm thinking around 20 should get my stamina up high enough, and then train agility + vision until you can soft cap both? The new system makes it almost useless to train vision with anything other than agility (confidence is semi-decent but isn't a core skill). Is this maximizing skill points/training or am I wrong in that respect? Time isn't an issue as a 10 year season is long enough to be good enough for at least 8 seasons.

Originally posted by iMan
so he is lvl 23 right now but this is what he will look like at lvl 24
Strength: 44.95
Blocking: 20.64
Speed: 70
Tackling: 28.59
Agility: 60
Throwing: 8
Jumping: 14.35
Catching: 9
Stamina: 31.54
Carrying: 10
Vision: 35.03
Kicking: 8
Confidence: 19.53
Punting: 9

2-2-4-6-0
pass rush tree

im not sure why im not producing
one reason prolly is cuz he is lvl 23 playing against lvl 27+ ot

Speed, agility, vision and tunnel vision aren't high enough. I think you'd see an immediate jump in production if you got tunnel vision up into the 9-10 range.

Originally posted by alfies
You don't have enough agility.

Agility > Speed

I disagree.

Originally posted by Nv1sion
Originally posted by miked33

Originally posted by ZeroTolerance


I have to say, the intense training combinations kind of suck for this build. Vision can't be paired with anything that would have decent training value (as spd/agi are already over 1st/2nd cap), same with stamina.

Agreed. My plan with my new DE is to train speed+stamina for a bit, then speed+agility, then once I put points into speed to move on to agility+vision.

At what point should we push up speed to the soft cap with the new training system? I'm thinking around 20 should get my stamina up high enough, and then train agility + vision until you can soft cap both? The new system makes it almost useless to train vision with anything other than agility (confidence is semi-decent but isn't a core skill). Is this maximizing skill points/training or am I wrong in that respect? Time isn't an issue as a 10 year season is long enough to be good enough for at least 8 seasons.

I'm going about it a little bit slower with my DE. I'll be doing speed+stamina until stamina is close to 20, then speed+agility until speed is close to 30, then agility+vision until agility is close to 35. Not the most efficient purely from a numbers standpoint, but I think it's pretty close to optimal as far as the new training system goes.

Originally posted by miked33
Originally posted by alfies

You don't have enough agility.

Agility > Speed

I disagree.

More agility = greater change of direction, greater acceleration, and greater chance to shed the block.

You're betting 100% on just flat out beating the OT off the snap if you go balls out speed. I'm currently working speed to the 3 cap now, but I'd recommend more agility in the start.

Originally posted by alfies
Originally posted by miked33

Originally posted by alfies


You don't have enough agility.

Agility > Speed

I disagree.

More agility = greater change of direction, greater acceleration, and greater chance to shed the block.

I fail to see how speed helps more than those three, considering as soon as I moved all of my equipment from speed to agility I instantly started getting sacks.

You're betting 100% on just flat out beating the OT off the snap if you go balls out speed.

Thanks for the explanation, I didn't know what agility did. I'm not talking about which is better in theory I'm just saying in practice in my experience, speed is better.

The gap was closed slightly when OT pathing was changed in the later portion of last season, but not enough to make agility better.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're having success with agility. But your build, taken from another thread:

Strength: 54.77 Blocking: 20.87
Speed: 60.77 Tackling: 30.61
Agility: 75.77 Throwing: 7
Jumping: 23.99 Catching: 8
Stamina: 28.89 Carrying: 8
Vision: 29.66 Kicking: 9
Confidence: 25.23 Punting: 8

Pass Rusher Tree: 5-5-8-7-1

is not the type of build we're discussing in this thread.

High speed has quite a bit more to offer than just beating the OT off the snap, although that is part of it's draw.

Hmmm.. Should I listen to the guy with 10 sacks, or the guy with 48? I'm not quite sure how anyone can argue with you Miked. Thanks for the info btw.

Originally posted by njohnson12
Hmmm.. Should I listen to the guy with 10 sacks, or the guy with 48? I'm not quite sure how anyone can argue with you Miked. Thanks for the info btw.

Well, considering I'm a back up this year, but I did lead my league with 29 last year despite being 3-5 levels lower than the competition...

Watch his replays. His guy banks solely on beating the LT off the snap of the ball. Once LT's wise up and get more speed/agi like most have, won't happen.

Originally posted by alfies
Originally posted by njohnson12

Hmmm.. Should I listen to the guy with 10 sacks, or the guy with 48? I'm not quite sure how anyone can argue with you Miked. Thanks for the info btw.

Well, considering I'm a back up this year, but I did lead my league with 29 last year despite being 3-5 levels lower than the competition...

Watch his replays. His guy banks solely on beating the LT off the snap of the ball. Once LT's wise up and get more speed/agi like most have, won't happen.

Over the past 45 games he's played he's had 0 sacks twice. Once when the pass rushing tactics weren't in and Bort had accidentally nerfed speed rushers and once when the other team passed once the whole game. I would think over two seasons of playing the same guy if the answer was to "wise up" that they would've had ample time to do that.

Originally posted by Motiak
Originally posted by alfies

Originally posted by njohnson12


Hmmm.. Should I listen to the guy with 10 sacks, or the guy with 48? I'm not quite sure how anyone can argue with you Miked. Thanks for the info btw.

Well, considering I'm a back up this year, but I did lead my league with 29 last year despite being 3-5 levels lower than the competition...

Watch his replays. His guy banks solely on beating the LT off the snap of the ball. Once LT's wise up and get more speed/agi like most have, won't happen.

Over the past 45 games he's played he's had 0 sacks twice. Once when the pass rushing tactics weren't in and Bort had accidentally nerfed speed rushers and once when the other team passed once the whole game. I would think over two seasons of playing the same guy if the answer was to "wise up" that they would've had ample time to do that.



You severely over estimate the intelligence of the general GLB community.

I'm not saying his build is terrible at all. I just think it's banked too much on one stat/ability. Not to mention 20 of his sacks are in a 251-0 blow out.