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Forbin
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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
If there were an exact perfect way, then it would already be posted. The mathematicians, would have already figured it out with the grease monkey player builder.

And good luck following an exact plan you use in builder over 10 minutes for the next 2 years. Especially since you can't account for training break throughs, the length of the off season, how lucky you get rolling for equipment, changes you may make because of SIM changes, etc.


And in my case, you have to account for actually forgetting what the fuck I was doing in the first place with the dot. Takes so long to build them, by the time I get to a certain point in a build, I have to guess at my original intention, normally.

I suppose I could record my detailed build plans or write them down or something, but that's a lot more effort than I'm willing to put forth.


Edit for quote fail.
Edited by Forbin on Mar 13, 2011 01:08:31
 
crazy454
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amazing to me how many people think they are "good" at building dots and how they don't need this crap.
Edited by crazy454 on Mar 13, 2011 04:36:55
 
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Also amazing to me how many people who are considered Top Builders want this for everyone else, they know it would be "good for the game"

I dream of a GLB where leagues from top to bottom are competitive in some way. You can do that in two ways, educated builders and good coordinators.
 
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I'll take it. Especially for the first few players that a new owner makes. It'll help catch the new owners/rookies up with the vets much faster.
 
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Build simulators do not make cookie cutter builds. The sim does.

Why is Speed such a major attribute for LBs and Safeties? It is not because there is a vpb script, but rather because the sim does not differentiate much between 75 and 85 Tackling, or 75 and 85 Vision, and thus a 110 Speed, 85 tackling, 85 vision LB performs worse than 130 Speed, 75 Tackling, 75 Vision LB. And since that is true, everyone builds 130+ Speed LBs (or at least tries to).

If you want to get rid of cookie cutter builds, talk to Bort about making secondary (or less important primary attributes) a bigger part of the sim. Adding a vpb will only allow people to tweak their build plans further, thus building better versions of the cookie cutter. Even without it, informed agents will still build the same cookie cutter builds.
 
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seems like not many are voting no right now, the yes votes keep heading higher and the no's seem to have steadied.
 
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Originally posted by crazy454
seems like not many are voting no right now, the yes votes keep heading higher and the no's seem to have steadied.


They usually do...between 200-300 for everything.
 
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Originally posted by Greywolfmeb
They usually do...between 200-300 for everything.


seems like it huh? I wish they were public results lol!
 
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Voting is Up VOTE HERE- http://goallineblitz.com/game/suggestions.pl
 
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Voted. Great idea.
 
crazy454
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almost 150 votes for and 17 against ratio is ramping up a ton.
 
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Originally posted by
Bort and Co would be smart to avoid this. If they come up with this and then someone runs something through the builder...and then tries to build the player based on that..but screws it up....many GLB "idiots" will blame GLB. We see this stuff all the time. So why officially support something that can bite them in the ass...when unofficial ways exist that don't cause them problems.

Another thing....after this the next thing some will be suggesting is taking the builder and having it actually build the player. And when that doesn't happen some will be upset...not all but some. And again why should GLB support something that could do that?

Many many many many games have unofficial tools to help you. This is one of them. And should stay that way.


 
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Originally posted by joemalaka

Bort and Co would be smart to avoid this. If they come up with this and then someone runs something through the builder...and then tries to build the player based on that..but screws it up....many GLB "idiots" will blame GLB. We see this stuff all the time. So why officially support something that can bite them in the ass...when unofficial ways exist that don't cause them problems.

Another thing....after this the next thing some will be suggesting is taking the builder and having it actually build the player. And when that doesn't happen some will be upset...not all but some. And again why should GLB support something that could do that?

Many many many many games have unofficial tools to help you. This is one of them. And should stay that way.




Originally posted by crazy454

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The player builder does not DESIGN the dot, you do.

It simulates YOU designing your dot.

It will allow MORE experimentation since people can see 2+ year building results without spending 80 bucks.

There will be more build diversity because people will be less afraid to go out on a limb when they can experiment with the builder.

Higher quality players being made means better competition (which is something everyone would want)

The Virtual Player Builder is already a script, so why not level the playing field with a GLB endorsed/supported version?


Edited by crazy454 on Mar 14, 2011 10:30:08
Edited by crazy454 on Mar 14, 2011 10:29:53
 
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Do this NOW.
 
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Originally posted by joemalaka
Originally posted by

Bort and Co would be smart to avoid this. If they come up with this and then someone runs something through the builder...and then tries to build the player based on that..but screws it up....many GLB "idiots" will blame GLB. We see this stuff all the time. So why officially support something that can bite them in the ass...when unofficial ways exist that don't cause them problems.




Because the unofficial way does cause problems. Not all users have access to the builder. Some do have access but don't know anything about it. I don't have exact numbers but even if a quarter of the users don't know about the builder or have access to use it and this were implemented it would be an addition to overall competitiveness.

Also, to debunk the first portion of your argument that you seem to think so credible. There are many ways around this. First, you create a notice on the top of the section concerning the topic. The builder is meant as a tool, and with so many variables coming into play during training and so many other things it is impossible to be exact. Therefore, simply state that GLB does not in any way guarantee results, rather this is just a tool.
 
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