Warrior General Games

Originally posted by NiborRis
FWIW, I don't think a playoff team from WL should be able to request to drop just to Pro anymore than a team should be able to decline a promotion from Pro to WL - same issue in my mind. Either stay where you have earned your spot, or drop to AA (or minors) and regroup. I realize there are considerations of trying to get the next group of dots the best chance for playing the right season (guessing season 17?) in the WL, but that's an agent/team planning issue, not a GLB team promotion/demotion issue.

If a team folds or drops to AA, then so be it, and Bort can hand-pick a replacement under whatever criteria I suppose. Would be better if there were an objective solution but given that WL is just one league it's not a terrible situation.

IMO bort should use your rankings to select the next best Pro team.

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
IMO bort should use your rankings to select the next best Pro team.

btw smurfs finished the year 32nd, that seems WL quality to me

Originally posted by NiborRis
FWIW, I don't think a playoff team from WL should be able to request to drop just to Pro anymore than a team should be able to decline a promotion from Pro to WL - same issue in my mind.
It's in the best interests of the World League to make such concessions. You get an extra team here who has a chance to be competitive, and you don't end up with a bunch of 255-0 outcomes. Moreover, I already know that there are plenty of open spots available in CPL, so it's not like someone has to get bumped to accommodate us.

Originally posted by NiborRis
FWIW, I don't think a playoff team from WL should be able to request to drop just to Pro anymore than a team should be able to decline a promotion from Pro to WL - same issue in my mind. Either stay where you have earned your spot, or drop to AA (or minors) and regroup. I realize there are considerations of trying to get the next group of dots the best chance for playing the right season (guessing season 17?) in the WL, but that's an agent/team planning issue, not a GLB team promotion/demotion issue.

If a team folds or drops to AA, then so be it, and Bort can hand-pick a replacement under whatever criteria I suppose. Would be better if there were an objective solution but given that WL is just one league it's not a terrible situation.

For the record I have no problem staying here. Just trying to help all leagues be as competitive as possible.

But I do think that WL teams should have an option to drop down to Pro. They earned a spot in the WL, if they are going to be competitive in Pro when retooling, it makes much more sense to send them to Pro rather than AAA or AA where they dominate and create unbalance.

Why should a WL team demote two spots when retooling unless they request that? That is worse than missing the playoffs, and this promotes the idea that if you are in the last season of your players careers on a WL team and you know you aren't going to win the whole thing, it is better to tank the season and demote to Pro, rather than play to the best of your ability and demote to AAA or AA.

Originally posted by Pariah
But I do think that WL teams should have an option to drop down to Pro. They earned a spot in the WL, if they are going to be competitive in Pro when retooling, it makes much more sense to send them to Pro rather than AAA or AA where they dominate and create unbalance.

It's the absolute exact scenario as a team winning their pro conference and then refusing their WL spot - they've earned a spot in the WL. What if NBA Jam asked to drop down? What if Mayan did? I was under the impression Kai's first choice was to remain in SAPL, but that's being disallowed.

If Bort's going to tell the pro teams they MUST promote, then WL teams need to be in the same boat. I don't think Providence is trying to abuse the system here, but we don't have a safeguard to promise that. If Providence won pro next season it would be absurd to have let them drop down. GLB Team owners, as a group, have shown they will abuse any system you let them, so let's not open another door for abuse.

Originally posted by David Stern
Originally posted by jdbolick

presumably because you wanted some dots. I guess being ignored hurt your ego.


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LOL. The only thing I would want with your dot is to rot them. Seriously get over yourself.Originally posted by Jeff_Buckley

Originally posted by David Stern


Jed locked a thread and I wanted the last word, so I pmed him the last word
I think the fact that you don't have the slightest indication of how pathetic that is is my favorite part of this entire thread.
I took your trick

jesus quote fail. I don't even know how to fix ie quotes

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Originally posted by David Stern
Originally posted by jdbolick

presumably because you wanted some dots. I guess being ignored hurt your ego.


QUOTE]

LOL. The only thing I would want with your dot is to rot them. Seriously get over yourself.Originally posted by Jeff_Buckley

Originally posted by David Stern


Jed locked a thread and I wanted the last word, so I pmed him the last word
I think the fact that you don't have the slightest indication of how pathetic that is is my favorite part of this entire thread.
I took your trick

jesus quote fail. I don't even know how to fix ie quotes

rofl

Originally posted by jdbolick

It's in the best interests of the World League to make such concessions. You get an extra team here who has a chance to be competitive, and you don't end up with a bunch of 255-0 outcomes. Moreover, I already know that there are plenty of open spots available in CPL, so it's not like someone has to get bumped to accommodate us.


So you give my team shit for accepting a promotion when I had to sign over 35 players just to fill a roster and use the saying well go recruit! But now because it doesn't work for you, you take the mangina route and puss out and look to bail. Maybe you should recruit? You really are a fraud...

Originally posted by rjssob
So you give my team shit for accepting a promotion when I had to sign over 35 players just to fill a roster and use the saying well go recruit! But now because it doesn't work for you, you take the mangina route and puss out and look to bail. Maybe you should recruit? You really are a fraud...

your team won 1 game this season

Originally posted by NiborRis
It's the absolute exact scenario as a team winning their pro conference and then refusing their WL spot - they've earned a spot in the WL. What if NBA Jam asked to drop down? What if Mayan did? I was under the impression Kai's first choice was to remain in SAPL, but that's being disallowed.



The Kai was never going to refuse promotion, they just like people to talk about them.

Originally posted by Gart888
Originally posted by rjssob

So you give my team shit for accepting a promotion when I had to sign over 35 players just to fill a roster and use the saying well go recruit! But now because it doesn't work for you, you take the mangina route and puss out and look to bail. Maybe you should recruit? You really are a fraud...

your team won 1 game this season

That is pretty good, better than MPHD. He should be given a matel

Originally posted by David Stern
That is pretty good, better than MPHD. He should be given a matel


qfmatel

Originally posted by NiborRis
Originally posted by Pariah

But I do think that WL teams should have an option to drop down to Pro. They earned a spot in the WL, if they are going to be competitive in Pro when retooling, it makes much more sense to send them to Pro rather than AAA or AA where they dominate and create unbalance.

It's the absolute exact scenario as a team winning their pro conference and then refusing their WL spot - they've earned a spot in the WL. What if NBA Jam asked to drop down? What if Mayan did? I was under the impression Kai's first choice was to remain in SAPL, but that's being disallowed.

If Bort's going to tell the pro teams they MUST promote, then WL teams need to be in the same boat. I don't think Providence is trying to abuse the system here, but we don't have a safeguard to promise that. If Providence won pro next season it would be absurd to have let them drop down. GLB Team owners, as a group, have shown they will abuse any system you let them, so let's not open another door for abuse.

Honestly I would rather have a competitive team here over one that will clearly lose by 100+ every game. The point of not allow people to decline promotion was so one team can't just keep winning Pro. It's different when a team loses its whole roster and has no chance to be competitive. I don't know how much younger the dots he's bringing in are, but as long as they aren't owning the Pro leagues, then I think it would be fair to have them move down so we can get a better team up here in their place.