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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by jrry32



There are still some DTs that are monsters.

All that should be said. Anything else is begging for a nerf.



It was a bit of a hyperbole. Many DTs are still underpowered but there are ways with the DPC for a DT to get pressure. That's a more appropriate statement.

That's why I made an NT.

Nobody expects them to do anything, so even normal tackles feel pretty awesome.

Originally posted by Maddoc
That's why I made an NT.

Nobody expects them to do anything, so even normal tackles feel pretty awesome.

LOL yea.

Originally posted by BiggerBlue
Originally posted by cwrujosh

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=235699

Believe me, if I can lead EEPRO in sacks, any of you could.

I wish my DE gets to play in so many blow out games...


Not my fault that Emmaus is so freaking great. It is partially my doing, however. (Love you Rob and Ash).

Originally posted by cwrujosh
Originally posted by BiggerBlue

Originally posted by cwrujosh


http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=235699

Believe me, if I can lead EEPRO in sacks, any of you could.

I wish my DE gets to play in so many blow out games...


Not my fault that Emmaus is so freaking great. It is partially my doing, however. (Love you Rob and Ash).

Pssh Emmaus sucks...they just play in the lolEEPro.

My DT always put up good numbers, even against some of the best teams of equal level he was still getting sacks and FF's last season.. 3 seasons ago, 61 hurries. last two season's, 20+ sacks. this season, 1 sack. and hell, the league hes playing in this season sucks.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by cwrujosh

Originally posted by BiggerBlue


Originally posted by cwrujosh



http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=235699

Believe me, if I can lead EEPRO in sacks, any of you could.

I wish my DE gets to play in so many blow out games...


Not my fault that Emmaus is so freaking great. It is partially my doing, however. (Love you Rob and Ash).

Pssh Emmaus sucks...they just play in the lolEEPro.


You are just jealous SI replaced you on OTR

I changed up my tactics a bit and it's better, but still not what I'd expect.

Originally posted by Sooner5900
My DT always put up good numbers, even against some of the best teams of equal level he was still getting sacks and FF's last season.. 3 seasons ago, 61 hurries. last two season's, 20+ sacks. this season, 1 sack. and hell, the league hes playing in this season sucks.

I have a level 33 DT that has 7 sacks, 11 hurries, and 5 TFL in 7 games. He went against even level competition once and got 4 sacks. He had 1 sack in a loss against team with interior line levels 39-41, and 2 sacks in losses against teams with interior OL levels 49-51. The interior line on the rest of the teams he has faced are between levels 38-52.

Your DC may not be putting your DT in position to make the plays. The way the regular AI places the DT this season makes it hard unless DC moves him to a place where he isn't likely to get double teamed.

Originally posted by thehazyone


USA Pro

These are all sacks against non-gutted competition. I removed a couple of DE's that had sacks against gutted teams.

Sack Happy, DE, Detroit Demon Lions 7 sacks in 6 games
Matt Maxwell, DE, Over The Rhine Red Dots 7 sacks in 6 games
Ken Cote, DE, Washington Bullets 6 sacks in 6 games
The Freak, DE, Detroit Demon Lions 6 sacks in 6 games
Huckleberry Hound, DE, Las Vegas Gamblers 6 sacks in 6 games
Pig Pen, DE, Northwest Arkansas Naturals 6 sacks in 6 games
Reggie Whitehead, DE, Las Vegas Gamblers 6 sacks in 6 games
Max Alexander, DE, Over The Rhine Red Dots 5 sacks in 6 games
Julius Dee, DE, Alpine Golfers 4 sacks in 6 games
Eugene Fluckey, DE, Washington Wolfpack 4 sacks in 6 games
Anthony Risotti, DE, Texas Roughnecks 4 sacks in 6 games
Myron Sardukis, DE, Columbus Woodys 4 sacks in 6 games
Gus Schenevar, DE, Detroit Demon Lions 4 sacks in 6 games
L.Y. Spear, DE, Washington Wolfpack 4 sacks in 6 games

14 players on pace for 10+ sacks or more for the season.

# of DE's in the NFL last season that had more than 10 sacks ---- 8

You know I've done a lot to help the DE/OT interaction and there is still some stuff being done to improve it, but for people to say that sack numbers are unrealistic right now is completely off base.

Here are some stats from USA Pro (removing the two CPU teams and one low level slow build team):

7771 Pass Attempts
269 Sacks
3.4% Pass attempts end in a sack (NFL average 6.3%)

Sack numbers are unrealistic right now. Anyone who says they are not is completely off base.

What is also unrealistic is passing offense:
12.6 Yards per pass completion (NFL average 10.7 yards)
7.5 yards per pass attempt (NFL average 6.5 yards)
458 TDs
10% Completions = TD (NFL average 6.4%)
2.5% Pass attempts result in an interception (NFL average 2.8%)

Other Pro Leagues - Pass attempts resulting in sacks (removing CPU teams):
Western Europe - 3.2%
Africa - 3.6%
Canada - 3%
Eastern Europe - 3.8%
Oceania - 3.4%
South America - 3.8%
SE Asia - 3.8%
USA AAA - 3.9%

Sack numbers are unrealistic right now!

Hazy I respect the testing you did for the DE/OT interaction but in my opinion it is not fixed. What goal does GLB have for sacks? Is it the NFL average/realism? Hazy we need an advocate for the defense. I think a lot of agents who prefer to build defensive players feel ignored by this game.

It is time to take the muzzle off the defense and give them a chance to stop offenses. Scores of 71-45, 66-17, etc...are far too common...what is a defensive battle 45-24?

Originally posted by Rage Kinard


I would like to add, why don't you look at a balanced conference like WEPL Zeta. Leading DEs have
7, 7, 6, 5, 5, 4 sacks. All other DEs have 3 or less through 7 games. 3 of the 6 on the leader board are from the same team with 6 of their 17 total sacks coming against 1 team.

The teams in that conference have a combined 5385 pass attempts and have given up a total of 129 sacks or roughly one sack every 2.3% of PASS plays.

Even the worst team has only given up 22 sacks and has 355 pass attempts which is one sack every 5.8% of pass plays. That is right. The team that has given up the MOST/Highest % of sacks is giving up a sack on less than 6% of pass plays. No other team is above 5%. We aren't just talking about DE sacks either. This is total sacks.


Around 40 of the 129 sacks are by other than DEs. So if you are looking at DE/OT matchup then it is roughly 90 DE sacks out of 5,514 pass plays or you get a DE sack on about 1.6% of pass plays.



Just had to quote this again, make sure everyone reads it.

Sort of funny when it comes to realism...nearly every stat favors the offensive side of the ball. The only thing the D seems to have is forcing fumbles and I am sure that is the next nerf.

Originally posted by Derekross
Just wondering. I had a DT that did well last year and since then the team has switched to a 3-4 and he has been moved to LDE. Is there a out of position decrease on attributes or are the DE's still basically as a whole, not very successful.

D.T.'s playing at D.E. take a big big Oopp hit.