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Originally posted by ezra_
K, and I am shutting down my casual team after this season, so I agree to an extent. However, it isn't the same game as non casual and it does require some tactics and build strategy. You can't just throw the Hood WL strategy in there and expect it to work.

Hoodmoted

Originally posted by MadMustaff
Originally posted by O' HappyCow

I assume DS is generous with their dots tbh. They just have enough connections to where they dont need to advertise them in the Marketplace. Honestly thats how most of my recruiting is done. and Thats how I find most of the homes for my dots. Private forums and Pms to people I know.




This is mostly right. We don't advertise in the PLFT forum very often, especially not early as day 20 through end of the season. Our agents typically wait until our WL and Pro rosters are filled up which wraps up around day 41-42. We always end up with extra WL caliber dots. I get multiple PM's every off-season from WL and Pro owners looking for certain positions and do my best to accommodate if we have extras. Ask around and you'll know this to be true.

The fact is most have no clue how DS functions internally because we're not a group of public posters that advertise our business. We're not interested in confirmation from the masses. I think people assume a lot and it's usually the worst when that happens.



perception becomes reality

Originally posted by MadMustaff
Sounds easy tbh. I'm not a lazy owner that expects everyone else to do the work. This wouldn't be a problem. Good agents, builders, gm's aren't hard to find when they know owners have a sound structure in place.

I'm a pretty fucking lazy owner. I make everyone else do all the work then I take the credit.

Originally posted by ezra_
K, and I am shutting down my casual team after this season, so I agree to an extent. However, it isn't the same game as non casual and it does require some tactics and build strategy. You can't just throw the Hood WL strategy in there and expect it to work.

Having talked with Ezra casual does require skill but a very different type than WL which makes sense. I would say WL builds on top teams are the best then some of the top casual teams have builds comparable to some middle/lower tier WL teams. WL teams scout a certain way and casual is very different, from what I can understand it is like trying to reverse engineer your opponent's AI and then putting a plan in to shut it down. Ezra has a very sophisticated scouting setup geared specifically for casual. I think most WL teams who go to casual haven't really considered that it requires a lot of work to be really good at it, but the work is a very different type than they are used to. So a WL team could have better builds than Ezra's team, but he wins because his tactics and scouting setup are superior, which you would not think would be a factor in casual, but it is. Whether cernet's team used any of this I don't know but then that is about the best collection of builds that I have ever seen in this game.

Originally posted by tpaterniti
Having talked with Ezra casual does require skill but a very different type than WL which makes sense. I would say WL builds on top teams are the best then some of the top casual teams have builds comparable to some middle/lower tier WL teams. WL teams scout a certain way and casual is very different, from what I can understand it is like trying to reverse engineer your opponent's AI and then putting a plan in to shut it down. Ezra has a very sophisticated scouting setup geared specifically for casual. I think most WL teams who go to casual haven't really considered that it requires a lot of work to be really good at it, but the work is a very different type than they are used to. So a WL team could have better builds than Ezra's team, but he wins because his tactics and scouting setup are superior, which you would not think would be a factor in casual, but it is. Whether cernet's team used any of this I don't know but then that is about the best collection of builds that I have ever seen in this game.

Politic.

Blah blah blah

Originally posted by tpaterniti
Having talked with Ezra casual does require skill but a very different type than WL which makes sense. I would say WL builds on top teams are the best then some of the top casual teams have builds comparable to some middle/lower tier WL teams. WL teams scout a certain way and casual is very different, from what I can understand it is like trying to reverse engineer your opponent's AI and then putting a plan in to shut it down. Ezra has a very sophisticated scouting setup geared specifically for casual. I think most WL teams who go to casual haven't really considered that it requires a lot of work to be really good at it, but the work is a very different type than they are used to. So a WL team could have better builds than Ezra's team, but he wins because his tactics and scouting setup are superior, which you would not think would be a factor in casual, but it is. Whether cernet's team used any of this I don't know but then that is about the best collection of builds that I have ever seen in this game.

Didn't Hali basically dominate Casual with a mediocre (compared to good WL teams that is) roster and not really trying much at all in terms of gameplanning? I think the whole "casual is a challenge too!" cry lost a lot of credibility when hali did what they did during their time there. I may be wrong and gart did a lot of gameplanning and had similar complicated algorithms but i doubt it

Originally posted by MadMustaff
Sounds easy tbh. I'm not a lazy owner that expects everyone else to do the work. This wouldn't be a problem. Good agents, builders, gm's aren't hard to find when they know owners have a sound structure in place.

This isn't season 5, bro. Things are much different here in S33.

Cernet killed us.

As for Gart, I think Hali had builds that most casual teams were not designed to deal with from a defensive perspective. Casual was still about running and avoiding WR pancakes, etc when he arrived. He showed up and just chucked it deep non stop, played ball hawk zone to stuff the run, and it was game over.

I would generally agree that most of my dots were on par with lesser WL teams. I did not have any really the past few seasons that couldn't play in WL.

The casual game is pretty boring now though. Presets changed it all. Bort made it so that unless you want to deal with the horrible logic involved in setting a % based offense, you need to use presets. Then you needed dots to fit the custom slots. It forced the roster design in a singular direction and took away the narrowing of the playbook that you used to have to do.

We used to have to scout, find a play that worked (say weak I HB counter sweep strong), then note that there are only 2 Weak I strong rushes by a HB in theGLB playbook. If you called 100 weak I, 100 HB, 100 run you can be certain to spam that play. It worked great until the tagged D preset came out, which enabled you to just say "Hb: Speedy" and someone would cover that HB.

There are 7 deep TE plays across 5 (?) packages. 100 pass, 100 te, 100 deep, pick the formation...there is the play.

The presets have such better logic in them that they are hard to ignore. Say you are runnning the clock out and are up by 0-6 with 2 minutes left at mid field. It's 3rd and 5. The old % system requires you to set a run threshold. So you set it to 4, and now it's 3rd and 5. You pass, drop it, punt, and they win in the last two minutes. This kind of crap happened all the time. Now if you put in balanced preset, it knows to run in that situation.

The other issue is that casual never addressed GL defense in the % AI. So if someone uses a preset with GL QB rushes vs a % defense, they will score all day. It's that kind of crap that drove me to post this, and ultimately sell my team today.http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5021290

Anyway, back to the network complaints.

Originally posted by Dub J
Cut off all network ties and bring ONE team up. No network or group of coordinators to fall back on. ONE team. Until then you're talking out your ass about something you know nothing about.


uh? you've seen hogwarts right? and carthage? and excel before them? all of those teams made world league with a roster made up almost entirely of my own dots...with an AI thrown together and no game specific changes. so maybe its you that's talking out your ass.

Originally posted by tpaterniti
I think most WL teams who go to casual haven't really considered that it requires a lot of work to be really good at it, but the work is a very different type than they are used to.
Hali won four casual golds in five seasons, and I'm pretty sure Gart didn't spend a ton of time recruiting or gameplanning. But sure, you can't simply ignore tactics in casual and expect to win. I guess Gart is just a savant when it comes to GLB given that he won the first two WL seasons as well before getting bored.

Amazing this thread has made it through 17 pages.

People who work together do better in a game based around working together. Shocking, I know.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Hali won four casual golds in five seasons, and I'm pretty sure Gart didn't spend a ton of time recruiting or gameplanning. But sure, you can't simply ignore tactics in casual and expect to win. I guess Gart is just a savant when it comes to GLB given that he won the first two WL seasons as well before getting bored.

Gart is just good at smooth talking the dudes.

Autotune admittedly helps, but still.

Originally posted by Deathblade
Gart is just good at smooth talking the dudes.
He does give amazing buttpats.