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Hag man just give up already. It is simple for everyone to see you are just carrying on this BS because you got your panties in a bunch and went off on a 2 year olds temper tantrum. you continually call people in this forum idiots for not believing in what you believe on this game or accepting your way as being the better way. while in reality wouldn't a true example of a idiot be someone that continues to argue bitch and whine even though multiple people have shown the flaws in the logic of that persons whole argument?

Originally posted by hatchman
Hag man just give up already. It is simple for everyone to see you are just carrying on this BS because you got your panties in a bunch and went off on a 2 year olds temper tantrum. you continually call people in this forum idiots for not believing in what you believe on this game or accepting your way as being the better way. while in reality wouldn't a true example of a idiot be someone that continues to argue bitch and whine even though multiple people have shown the flaws in the logic of that persons whole argument?

Easy for those who want to be wrong, yes.

Now, I'd like to see multiple people show me the flaws of "my whole argument", because in that moment I'd immediately apologise and shut up... BUT THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. People focus on everything EXCEPT my argument and don't get it when I insist. So the obvious answer is, NO, I will NOT give up already until people realize what my argument actually IS and THEN try to debunk WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT and not something unrelated and irrelevant.

If you want me to shut up, it is very simple and easy, just stop misrepresenting me, read what I am saying and not something else, and VOILA, we can have a real adult conversation. Now, since you won't do that, and will continue insisting, SO. WILL. I!

I simply refuse to let people be irrational in this forum anymore. You will either politely discuss the issue at hand or be insulted until you give up or I am banned, whichever comes first. Respect is something that is earned, you do not have mine. Strive to change that and I might change as well.

Also, paraphrasing einstein, "The definition of madness is to perform the same actions over and over again and expect different results!". Change your actions and you might get a different reaction.

are you fucknuts still bitching about this crap... for fucks sake stfu already. no one cares, honestly both of you are being stupid..

Actually Cow, people do care.

Just because you are spending your time working hard and gameplanning doesn't mean we have to stop bantering in the forums.

I just think it's absolutely hilarious that Hag got all worked up because of the REASON for the low ranking. He's not mad that they were ranked low and their team is absolutely TERRIBLE. He's worked up because someone said they were bad, when they were level 72. Well guess what, you are level 79 and no better. So I believe that qualifies as your team sucks at whatever level they are on. I guess I don't get the semantics issue here...the team was justifiably called terrible...end of story. Who cares WHY, the fact is, it was a completely accurate ranking...kudos to the OP!

Originally posted by thelanger
Actually Cow, people do care.

Just because you are spending your time working hard and gameplanning doesn't mean we have to stop bantering in the forums.


Im tired of reading what Hagas and snatchman have to say about nothing, neither of them are on good teams or by any means relevant to me. I refuse to read their rants anymore.

Originally posted by mwoods07
I just think it's absolutely hilarious that Hag got all worked up because of the REASON for the low ranking. He's not mad that they were ranked low and their team is absolutely TERRIBLE. He's worked up because someone said they were bad, when they were level 72. Well guess what, you are level 79 and no better. So I believe that qualifies as your team sucks at whatever level they are on. I guess I don't get the semantics issue here...the team was justifiably called terrible...end of story. Who cares WHY, the fact is, it was a completely accurate ranking...kudos to the OP!

Hi again. If you only care about your team, shame for you. I care about much more than that, and I don't give a shit if my team is great, bad, average or whatever. As I said before, you can say all you want about it. I'll still be a part of the team and in my short part I'll do my best in it.

You just can't give a bad REASON for it. T2 did it, and I called him on it. End of story. I believe we do not need to speak more of it, we both see the other person's point of view, and it's the end of it. However.... I still won't allow people to misinterpret me, speak in my stead or simply try to order me around or tell me what is or is not relevant for me. That's not yer job, it be mine!

And finall, who cares "why"? I DO ^_^ duh.

Bubye now! *waveis*

For me...I am concerned about all the users you are misguiding (my own opinion). You have nothing to back up your style with other than your "scientific proof"...apparently that proof isn't getting results. Our team and our network gets IN GAME RESULTS. I think people play this game to try and do well in it, I could be wrong. I just think those poor souls should take guidance from teams/people who show they know how to win.

You can talk all day about how GOOD your method is, but at the end of the day, you have nothing to show for that. MVP's and stats are too easy to pad. Having teams that follow a specific guideline (one in such contrast to yours) who win consistently seems like a much better approach. What I see is that when you build a team from players who are doing what we suggest..we win...when you build a team from players who are doing what you suggest...well, you see the results that you are getting.

I could build a dot that has ~200 speed with EQ. Likely that will always be the fastest dot on the field on paper...but will sill suck. So "scientifically" he should be faster than everyone and be unstoppable...but in REALITY, he just sucks...

I love your comment about being ordered around. I'm saying this for the sake of the OTHER people who might want to listen to you. If they want to continue, then that's on them...no one asked you to stop, just that you are doing it wrong and others should be informed of that.

Originally posted by Hagalaz
It just irks me to see someone say that team A losing to team B means team A isn't worth it when team A was 6 levels lower than team B... -_-

It's illogical. A level 79 team will beat a level 73 team. If it doesn't, something is wrong there.

Oh and JUST so we are clear on a few things....
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1933
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2264083
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2264079
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2290526

Either I am imagining things or that team of level 73's is beating teams of level 79...

You really don't understand ANYTHING about scientific thinking do you?

I'm gonna give you one last and final chance:

DO YOU WANT TO LEARN?

Originally posted by Hagalaz
You really don't understand ANYTHING about scientific thinking do you?

I'm gonna give you one last and final chance:

DO YOU WANT TO LEARN?

Considering what I do for a living...and my 3 college degrees...I think I do.

Originally posted by Hagalaz


EDIT:

And furthermore, can anyone explain to me what is the scientific and rational justification behind using "success" as a measure of what is best? That makes no sense. Congratulations, something works. What can you deduce from it? Nothing. You don't know if it is the best way to do it, if it is the worst way to do it, if it is average, below average, above average, nothing. All you saw is that it worked. How can you draw anything else from it? Unless you calculate things, test things, simulate things and compare it with opposite ways of building, you don't know anything.

Maintaining the status quo only ensures that no one will ever improve. That is not good for you or anyone. When you use a method, but you don't know WHY you use that method, something is wrong.

Lets take just your edit for example. Do you know how we got to the point that we are with building our dots? Do you know how much or how little testing we did to determine our way of building? Do you have any idea of how many calculations we did or did not do?

See, this is your problem, you can't admit that someone else might be right with something. I think success is a VERY good determination as to how well a method works or does not. If the method sucks, I'm pretty certain we would fail, and fail continuously. The simple fact that we follow specific build procedures and that those teams win A LOT tells anyone with any sense that something was done right. If you win once, it could be luck, but when you show consistency, then there is something to it.

Flat out, science isn't always right. There is a lot of science out there that says humans came from bacteria...that does not mean it is accurate. The laws of physics are broken ALL THE TIME and new theories are developed, which means that 10 years ago, things that were "solid" scientifically, have been proven incorrect, despite the numbers crunched and results replicated...

In short, your method, while probably not the worst out there has done nothing for your success in this game, therefore newbies probably should steer clear and learn from people who have actually had success.

Originally posted by mwoods07
Considering what I do for a living...and my 3 college degrees...I think I do.

Then if you do, I'm going to point out a few issue that your 3 college degrees seem to have missed. Strangely, my 2 university degrees, my masters degree and my post-graduation work doesn't blind me to simple facts.

Originally posted by
You have nothing to back up your style with other than your "scientific proof"...apparently that proof isn't getting results.
On the contrary, most of the players I end up getting into higher leagues perform well above average. And not only that, I've explained time and time again a difference we'll see in a few moments.

Originally posted by
Our team and our network gets IN GAME RESULTS.
Well, this is one of your biggest flaws. I am ONE PERSON. You are comparing me to what, a few dozens? You shouldn't compare me to 60 bloody people, you should compare one person to another person or a player to another player, otherwise you're not going to get much info from anything.

Originally posted by
I think people play this game to try and do well in it, I could be wrong.
If you believe your method is the best, you are wrong. The first step to improving is believing it can always be done better.

Originally posted by
I just think those poor souls should take guidance from teams/people who show they know how to win.
Right, because opponents, coordinating, AI, scouting, etc have nothing to do with "how to win" right? It's all builds, right? *sigh* I am trying here to not be sarcastic but it is not easy. If you have any value for logic, you need to understand that there is a lot more than builds involved in this game. A team with crappy builds with a great OC can beat a team with great builds and a crappy OC. Hell, a team with 20 crappy builds and 20 great builds will still not be enough as the overall performance will be dragged down by the crappy builds. You simply cannot compare dozens of people to one single one, it's illogical!

Originally posted by
Lets take just your edit for example. Do you know how we got to the point that we are with building our dots? Do you know how much or how little testing we did to determine our way of building? Do you have any idea of how many calculations we did or did not do?
All I know is that what you are telling people to do has been proven wrong by multiple people using different methods. No matter how much testing, calculating and simulation you have behind it, if you do not show it, I can't trust you on the grounds of blind belief, I can only trust the calculations and testing done by me and those I have seen. Since you don't show your calculations and tests and you never speak of them, what do you expect? Do you simply want me to believe all the people who did test (which before you start assuming stuff wrongly again, are not on any team with me) are wrong, and I am wrong, without you giving any proof? Would you do the same ?

Originally posted by
See, this is your problem, you can't admit that someone else might be right with something.
I can admit and do it all the time - WHEN THERE IS PROOF. All the evidence in this case points towards the opposite conclusion. You are asking me to ignore every fact and just submit to... to what? To nothing... You give us nothing. No evidence, no fact, no substance. There's already been a request for builds, I have already submitted mine. What more do you want? The ball is on your court, either play ball or forfeit the game!

Originally posted by
I think success is a VERY good determination as to how well a method works or does not.
See, but that's wrong. Success has much more than your individual build method as factors involved in it. A team of 55 players built according to a single strategy from the start, with every player built to a purpose, with proper scouting and coordinating will always have success!! Even if the builds are just average and not great. You can't simply equate success to good builds. You can't even tell what is the most influential factor when it comes to success. All you know is that you had success. You don't know if you would have MORE success building differently unless you TRY doing differently. Have you tried? Have you calculated and analyzed the opposite path? Because as you probably know (and we'll be touching this more in a few moments) seeing one event does not mean anything other than ... seeing that event!

Originally posted by
If the method sucks, I'm pretty certain we would fail, and fail continuously.
Why do you only see black and white? There are shit builds and great builds, yes, but there are also average builds, slightly below or above, etc. You can't just think in black and white terms. It will not help you, you are sabotaging yourself. By thinking that way you are making sure you will never be all you can be!

Originally posted by
The simple fact that we follow specific build procedures and that those teams win A LOT tells anyone with any sense that something was done right.
This was already explained above. Something was done right, yes. Most likely a lot of things were done well. Were they done perfectly? Couldn't you do better? You don't know that. All you know is that you did well enough. Is "well enough" enough for you?

Originally posted by
If you win once, it could be luck, but when you show consistency, then there is something to it.
That there is an issue, because even though I keep trying to get you to understand that I am not a team, and just one man, I can't get across to you. Consistency requires a lot of factors. One man cannot get consistency. To anywhere. Consistency requires the conscious effort of a group of people, and it requires much more than builds.

Originally posted by
Flat out, science isn't always right.
The scientific method, however, is always right. The fact that the explanations we create to interpret what we see doesn't mean the idea of observing, repeating and interpreting is wrong. "science" per definition is the pursuit of knowledge, and knowledge being the truth of the universe. In a sense, science cannot ever be right, or it will cease to have a purpose.

Originally posted by
The laws of physics are broken ALL THE TIME and new theories are developed, which means that 10 years ago, things that were "solid" scientifically, have been proven incorrect, despite the numbers crunched and results replicated...
Well, to be frank, no laws have been broken in the past 90 or so years since niels bohr. Several theories were proven wrong, but those are theories. They are an approximation to what is the truth. That doesn't mean that evolution isn't there. Your own words are giving weight to my own arguments, man! The fact that there is a theory that is replaced with a better theory is exactly what I am trying to show you. You have a theory. It works. It doesn't mean it works in the best way, or that it is the perfect, ideal theory. Neither mine nor yours is, but by categorically stating that 4 AEQ is the best choice without reexamining it in the face of new evidence is exactly what you are criticizing now! You should be criticizing yourself!

Originally posted by
In short, your method, while probably not the worst out there has done nothing for your success in this game, therefore newbies probably should steer clear and learn from people who have actually had success.
And this is a conclusion that is wrong, drawn from wrong premises using a flawed method for reasoning.

I don't have a team. I have some players which are spread out over several teams. I don't coordinate, don't tell people how to build. I'm here only to build my players and make them the best possible. And it is really hard for me to find a place I belong to because I keep running into people like you, which defy all notions of rationality I so greatly cling to.

I could join a big network, or a big team, hell, I've probably rejected offers from teams you'd consider great. My success in this game is making players, experimenting with them, refining the results into better builds for those players, gradually bringing them closer and closer to "perfection". That is all I do here. Testing, calculating, observing results, simulating in the VPB, analyzing test results. You can't measure success as in the number of gold trophies I have when I reject all lolgm offers and don't feel the need to join the best teams and leave the people I dig (even if their builds are not ideal or the coordination sucks or if the team has only 40 players). What is success to you is meaningless to me.

You can't compare me to a team or network until I make a 55 man team. Heck, the team you are so interested in dissing has only 3 players of mine, and no one is building like I would (I think, haven't really checked much...). You can't expect 3 players, 2 of which stops and one DT to bring a team to success. It's simply not logical.

If you do want to learn, why don't you look at actual players instead of teams? Compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Do what you yourself say and look at players' results. Don't just equate me to a team or a team to me.

Originally posted by Hagalaz

If you believe your method is the best, you are wrong. The first step to improving is believing it can always be done better.


Kettle...meet pot.

I'm not going into all that...not because I am can't, but because you have too much time on your hands for me to argue with...and btw, I never said you were "dumb" like you implied of me, but you did say I know nothing about Science, so had to put out there some of my qualifications in life. Regardless, just the mere fact that you say "you can't find somewhere to fit in, or a place you belong" pretty much says it all...Anyway, I'm confident people see through the veil you shroud yourself in, if not, then it's to their own demise.

Oh and dots having trophies isn't the same as lolgm trophies. And if you REALLY think that all of us believe you "reject" all offers from good teams, then you are more shallow than I thought.

A) Your qualifications are irrelevant. If you can't follow the scientific method, something is wrong.

B) I never said my method is the best, only better than "always use 4 AEQ".

C) The fact that I'm an arrogant antisocial bastard doesn't mean I build poorly. Please stop bring up wrong things. It looks like I should not have given you another chance. Oh well. Life's a neverending lesson...

D) I'm confidence as well that they will see beyond such veil you seem to state and look only at the facts, which will in fact prove the 4AEQ all the time theory wrong and mine better.

E) Why bring up that dots having trophies and lolgm trophies are different? Why is that relevant? Answer: It is not.

F) I don't give a fuck about what you believe. Your beliefs have been time and time again been proven irrelevant and absurd. All that people need to care is about the facts. And guess what? One of the facts is that I never said I reject "ALL OFFERS" from good teams. So having said that, your last chance is over. LEARN TO FUCKING READ YOU DISGUSTING HUSK OF A NEANDERTHAL. Just stick a knife in your gut and commit ritual suicide in shame or something and rid us of your incompetence!