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Originally posted by yello1
And the CPU teams in the bigs can be picked up by the existing player numbers as I laid out above from players on the deep bench on other teams and owner builds as well as likely draws from the D leagues etc.


On this point, I should point out that I am not just making that up and illustrate what I am saying. I originally built my dot army to fuel the OTMiracle. When the Grace and Word joined them in Natty Pro, I started to build more dots accordingly. If I had a fourth Nat Pro team I would build yet more to fill the hard to fill slots (TE and O Line atm).

 
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Originally posted by yello1
Golf Clap, Been. And only that because its New Years.

You can do better.

But lets not, I want to go tweak teams or maybe go see the sun instead.


Alright... my entertainment with this thread is fading... I appreciate the effort but its time for this thread to end or at least move the bashing to your next suggestion.
 
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Hatch those points were valid as to the minor leagues and I conceded that point. What more can I do than say yes you are right, I was mistaken as to a fact (how many CPUs were in the lower leagues, I just looked at the bigs) and concede the point? Yes, as I have said many times now, the minor leagues could take a contraction.

However that fact situation does not apply in the bigs, far lower percentage of CPU teams. So my idea still applies there. And for the reasons I have mentioned the bigs can't be contracted due to numbers and also breaking player "morale" aka generating bad word of mouth about GLB being in decline.

And the CPU teams in the bigs can be picked up by the existing player numbers as I laid out above from players on the deep bench on other teams and owner builds as well as likely draws from the D leagues etc.

We have gone over it hatch. You guys made some points, but others are just wrong. Yes the OP was not needed for the minors. But as to the core leagues I stand by my idea for the valid points I have already made.



dude you haven't made any points except that if people own those teams they won't be CPU's anymore. by owners owning them it won't make those teams anymore competitive it won't make the leagues a bit stronger. all it will do is make more shitty teams and dilute the players pool. I just pulled up 1 Pro League it was Africa there are 3 human owned teams with atleast 40 CPU players on them. so basically those 3 teams won't do crap this season. your own team in that league has level 50 players on it that cannot compete against Pro teams. so theoretically there are 6 to 10 teams in that league that do not deserve to be there. the idea of owning a Pro team used to mean something in this game. now they are riddled with crappy assed teams that do not have a chance in hell of being competitive except against other crappy assed teams.

You have no points in this arguement that make a damn lick of sense to anyone except you. yet you continue to argue on and on. if there was league contraction of the Pro Ranks it would be good for the game because it would boost competitiveness. By losing 1 32 team league at that level it would supply all teams with enough dots to field close to full teams. and no one would have to really have the level 50 players trying to compete against level 79s. and before you say that you were bumped 2 levels or whatever. you had a choice and could have declined to do that so don't even waste my time with that crappy argument.
 
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Originally posted by Myd
Originally posted by yello1

Golf Clap, Been. And only that because its New Years.

You can do better.

But lets not, I want to go tweak teams or maybe go see the sun instead.


Alright... my entertainment with this thread is fading... I appreciate the effort but its time for this thread to end or at least move the bashing to your next suggestion.


I tried to politely sign off but the hatas are hatin.

Im done though. Cant think of a single thing to be said on the subject thats not been said ten times already.
 
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Originally posted by hatchman
Originally posted by yello1

Hatch those points were valid as to the minor leagues and I conceded that point. What more can I do than say yes you are right, I was mistaken as to a fact (how many CPUs were in the lower leagues, I just looked at the bigs) and concede the point? Yes, as I have said many times now, the minor leagues could take a contraction.

However that fact situation does not apply in the bigs, far lower percentage of CPU teams. So my idea still applies there. And for the reasons I have mentioned the bigs can't be contracted due to numbers and also breaking player "morale" aka generating bad word of mouth about GLB being in decline.

And the CPU teams in the bigs can be picked up by the existing player numbers as I laid out above from players on the deep bench on other teams and owner builds as well as likely draws from the D leagues etc.

We have gone over it hatch. You guys made some points, but others are just wrong. Yes the OP was not needed for the minors. But as to the core leagues I stand by my idea for the valid points I have already made.



dude you haven't made any points except that if people own those teams they won't be CPU's anymore. by owners owning them it won't make those teams anymore competitive it won't make the leagues a bit stronger. all it will do is make more shitty teams and dilute the players pool. I just pulled up 1 Pro League it was Africa there are 3 human owned teams with atleast 40 CPU players on them. so basically those 3 teams won't do crap this season. your own team in that league has level 50 players on it that cannot compete against Pro teams. so theoretically there are 6 to 10 teams in that league that do not deserve to be there. the idea of owning a Pro team used to mean something in this game. now they are riddled with crappy assed teams that do not have a chance in hell of being competitive except against other crappy assed teams.

You have no points in this arguement that make a damn lick of sense to anyone except you. yet you continue to argue on and on. if there was league contraction of the Pro Ranks it would be good for the game because it would boost competitiveness. By losing 1 32 team league at that level it would supply all teams with enough dots to field close to full teams. and no one would have to really have the level 50 players trying to compete against level 79s. and before you say that you were bumped 2 levels or whatever. you had a choice and could have declined to do that so don't even waste my time with that crappy argument.


That its not making sense to you or the gang doesnt mean that the absence of sense is in the idea.

Happy New Year.
 
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Originally posted by yello1
That its not making sense to you or the gang doesnt mean that the absence of sense is in the idea.

Happy New Year.


just FYI, saying that more often does not make it any more true.
 
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Originally posted by Myd
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9 teams per Agent is enough in my opinion.


 
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Originally posted by We_Rule
Originally posted by yello1

That its not making sense to you or the gang doesnt mean that the absence of sense is in the idea.

Happy New Year.


just FYI, saying that more often does not make it any more true.


Just like the more people disagree with me doesnt make them right either.

The logic of the idea is either sound or not, people's opinions are irrelevant.

I am pretty good at the logic thing. I am confident I am correct.

Your opinion to the contrary is duly noted but disregarded.
 
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Originally posted by yello1
Just like the more people disagree with me doesnt make them right either.

The logic of the idea is either sound or not, people's opinions are irrelevant.

I am pretty good at the logic thing. I am confident I am correct.

Your opinion to the contrary is duly noted but disregarded.


well my your thinking your opinion is irrelevant as well. basically if you want to get down to the gist of things if opinions do not matter and are irrelevant then no one matter at all.
 
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Originally posted by yello1
Originally posted by We_Rule

Originally posted by yello1


That its not making sense to you or the gang doesnt mean that the absence of sense is in the idea.

Happy New Year.


just FYI, saying that more often does not make it any more true.


Just like the more people disagree with me doesnt make them right either.

The logic of the idea is either sound or not, people's opinions are irrelevant.

I am pretty good at the logic thing. I am confident I am correct.

Your opinion to the contrary is duly noted but disregarded.


That may be the dumbest thing you have ever written in this forum. Which is impressive in and of itself.

The logic in your suggestion has been ripped to shreds over and over, to then turn around and say that you disregard those total fails in logic because your logic is sound is the least logical of all possible positions to take.

Aristotle is turning over in his grave right now because of your lack of ability to use reasoning and inference to come to a "logical" conclusion.
 
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Originally posted by merenoise
Originally posted by yello1

Originally posted by We_Rule


Originally posted by yello1



That its not making sense to you or the gang doesnt mean that the absence of sense is in the idea.

Happy New Year.


just FYI, saying that more often does not make it any more true.


Just like the more people disagree with me doesnt make them right either.

The logic of the idea is either sound or not, people's opinions are irrelevant.

I am pretty good at the logic thing. I am confident I am correct.

Your opinion to the contrary is duly noted but disregarded.


That may be the dumbest thing you have ever written in this forum. Which is impressive in and of itself.

The logic in your suggestion has been ripped to shreds over and over, to then turn around and say that you disregard those total fails in logic because your logic is sound is the least logical of all possible positions to take.

Aristotle is turning over in his grave right now because of your lack of ability to use reasoning and inference to come to a "logical" conclusion.


Coming from you thats quite a compliment to me and the idea. Thank you.

 
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Originally posted by hatchman
Originally posted by yello1

Just like the more people disagree with me doesnt make them right either.

The logic of the idea is either sound or not, people's opinions are irrelevant.

I am pretty good at the logic thing. I am confident I am correct.

Your opinion to the contrary is duly noted but disregarded.


well my your thinking your opinion is irrelevant as well. basically if you want to get down to the gist of things if opinions do not matter and are irrelevant then no one matter at all.


Pretty much yes.

Its the question of whether the proposed mechanics of the idea works and would improve the games playability, entertainment, viability and longevity.

The thing speaks for itself, basically. No matter how good or poor a job you do in understanding the idea or its benefits or I do in explaining them to you, or how much you or I love or hate it, the idea is what it is.

This idea would be an improvement to the game and help it last longer. Whether or not you I or Bort like or grasp that fact, thats the way it is. Not because I think so, but because of the facts at hand.
Edited by yello1 on Jan 1, 2012 12:20:42
 
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Originally posted by yello1
Its the question of whether the proposed mechanics of the idea works and would improve the games playability, entertainment, viability and longevity.

The thing speaks for itself, basically. No matter how good or poor a job you do in understanding the idea or its benefits or I do in explaining them to you, or how much you or I love or hate it, the idea is what it is.

This idea would be an improvement to the game and help it last longer. Whether or not you I or Bort like or grasp that fact, thats the way it is. Not because I think so, but because of the facts at hand.


Originally posted by hatchman
lets look at this rationally for a second so try to stay with me.

1.) You suggested to raise the teams owned limit from what we have now. and you wanted this because there were so many CPU owned teams in Natty Pro.

these are the points people made that countered your suggestion and these were basically proven that they would work alot better than your suggestion.

1.) Not enough players to actually fill teams so adding more owners would further kill the player pool. thus killing the competition level even more.
2.) League contraction actually taking 32 teams out of Natty Pro and Regional Pro would essentially fix the problem of CPU owned teams and thus would not need your suggestion at all.
3.) Having 9 teams at a time just increases the likelihood of a real life emergency taking an owner away from multiple teams at a time which in turn leads to a bad experience for up to 495 individual agents. It is bad enough when one agent goes inactive and owns a team of 55 different dots, when you expand that number across 9 teams it is devastating to the game you purport to love. A single inactive user ruining that many experiences is far more damaging than a few CPU teams.
4.) Teams who have owners who have their attention spread too thin essentially become the equivalent of CPU teams..
Besides, it would just lead to the sale of or just the abandonment of teams that have losing records midseason.
5.) With 99 leagues there are potentially 174,240 roster spots. Is it your contention that there are 58,000 players, by your estimation 1/3 of all players, that half ass play the game? Really? Based on the players that I see rostered when I scout, the average inactives I see are about 5 or 6. That would put that number closer to 10% which would push the total player population closer to 125k-130k, 45,000-50,000 players off from filling every team that exists now.
Bort could easily contract 20% of all teams in the game, go down to 80 total leagues, and still have homes for every human owned dot. That would still accommodate 154,000 players, more than the player estimates.


Please read this again yello, before you continue to embarrass yourself.
 
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Originally posted by merenoise
Originally posted by yello1

Its the question of whether the proposed mechanics of the idea works and would improve the games playability, entertainment, viability and longevity.

The thing speaks for itself, basically. No matter how good or poor a job you do in understanding the idea or its benefits or I do in explaining them to you, or how much you or I love or hate it, the idea is what it is.

This idea would be an improvement to the game and help it last longer. Whether or not you I or Bort like or grasp that fact, thats the way it is. Not because I think so, but because of the facts at hand.


Originally posted by hatchman

lets look at this rationally for a second so try to stay with me.

1.) You suggested to raise the teams owned limit from what we have now. and you wanted this because there were so many CPU owned teams in Natty Pro.

these are the points people made that countered your suggestion and these were basically proven that they would work alot better than your suggestion.

1.) Not enough players to actually fill teams so adding more owners would further kill the player pool. thus killing the competition level even more.
2.) League contraction actually taking 32 teams out of Natty Pro and Regional Pro would essentially fix the problem of CPU owned teams and thus would not need your suggestion at all.
3.) Having 9 teams at a time just increases the likelihood of a real life emergency taking an owner away from multiple teams at a time which in turn leads to a bad experience for up to 495 individual agents. It is bad enough when one agent goes inactive and owns a team of 55 different dots, when you expand that number across 9 teams it is devastating to the game you purport to love. A single inactive user ruining that many experiences is far more damaging than a few CPU teams.
4.) Teams who have owners who have their attention spread too thin essentially become the equivalent of CPU teams..
Besides, it would just lead to the sale of or just the abandonment of teams that have losing records midseason.
5.) With 99 leagues there are potentially 174,240 roster spots. Is it your contention that there are 58,000 players, by your estimation 1/3 of all players, that half ass play the game? Really? Based on the players that I see rostered when I scout, the average inactives I see are about 5 or 6. That would put that number closer to 10% which would push the total player population closer to 125k-130k, 45,000-50,000 players off from filling every team that exists now.
Bort could easily contract 20% of all teams in the game, go down to 80 total leagues, and still have homes for every human owned dot. That would still accommodate 154,000 players, more than the player estimates.


Please read this again yello, before you continue to embarrass yourself.


Yes as to the Minor leagues, the OP wouldnt work for those reasons as I have agreed.

As to the National Pro and Reg Pro level to which I have focused my idea though, I suggest you read my reply thereto, and in general my statements about how easy it would be to garner the players for the relatively small number of CPU teams at the National and Reg Pro levels from the existing rosters of the other teams at that age group, from their deep benches, and from owners own stables as they build more players to fill their new teams difficult to recruit for positions.

 
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Originally posted by yello1
Originally posted by merenoise

Originally posted by yello1


Its the question of whether the proposed mechanics of the idea works and would improve the games playability, entertainment, viability and longevity.

The thing speaks for itself, basically. No matter how good or poor a job you do in understanding the idea or its benefits or I do in explaining them to you, or how much you or I love or hate it, the idea is what it is.

This idea would be an improvement to the game and help it last longer. Whether or not you I or Bort like or grasp that fact, thats the way it is. Not because I think so, but because of the facts at hand.


Originally posted by hatchman


lets look at this rationally for a second so try to stay with me.

1.) You suggested to raise the teams owned limit from what we have now. and you wanted this because there were so many CPU owned teams in Natty Pro.

these are the points people made that countered your suggestion and these were basically proven that they would work alot better than your suggestion.

1.) Not enough players to actually fill teams so adding more owners would further kill the player pool. thus killing the competition level even more.
2.) League contraction actually taking 32 teams out of Natty Pro and Regional Pro would essentially fix the problem of CPU owned teams and thus would not need your suggestion at all.
3.) Having 9 teams at a time just increases the likelihood of a real life emergency taking an owner away from multiple teams at a time which in turn leads to a bad experience for up to 495 individual agents. It is bad enough when one agent goes inactive and owns a team of 55 different dots, when you expand that number across 9 teams it is devastating to the game you purport to love. A single inactive user ruining that many experiences is far more damaging than a few CPU teams.
4.) Teams who have owners who have their attention spread too thin essentially become the equivalent of CPU teams..
Besides, it would just lead to the sale of or just the abandonment of teams that have losing records midseason.
5.) With 99 leagues there are potentially 174,240 roster spots. Is it your contention that there are 58,000 players, by your estimation 1/3 of all players, that half ass play the game? Really? Based on the players that I see rostered when I scout, the average inactives I see are about 5 or 6. That would put that number closer to 10% which would push the total player population closer to 125k-130k, 45,000-50,000 players off from filling every team that exists now.
Bort could easily contract 20% of all teams in the game, go down to 80 total leagues, and still have homes for every human owned dot. That would still accommodate 154,000 players, more than the player estimates.


Please read this again yello, before you continue to embarrass yourself.


Yes as to the Minor leagues, the OP wouldnt work for those reasons as I have agreed.

As to the National Pro and Reg Pro level to which I have focused my idea though, I suggest you read my reply thereto, and in general my statements about how easy it would be to garner the players for the relatively small number of CPU teams at the National and Reg Pro levels from the existing rosters of the other teams at that age group, from their deep benches, and from owners own stables as they build more players to fill their new teams difficult to recruit for positions.



And when one of those owners decides to leave the game midseason or has an unforeseen emergency or is unable to sign on to the internet for whatever reason we screw over hundreds of agents in Nat./Reg Pro? Sounds logical....
 
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