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Originally posted by We_Rule
Yet we get blown out by teams that we should be able to at least hang with all day. TKW, Rampage...... both blow-out losses where we looked like a 69 bar team when in fact we are considerably higher bars than Buffalo and at the very least equal to TKW on paper.

I'll be honest and say we didn't game plan for your team. We didn't have a single post about your team until after the game. And that was about how a half finished dcreator play making it into the game. We also tried to figure out how you scored 65 points on us.

Rage about lolbars and exploits all you want but your team isn't good enough to hang with us.

Originally posted by ufshowboat
Man, walls of text like that is something I normally do. I hear the frustration. There is plenty of it to go around as very few teams can just run through and beat everybody. I remember being in your shoes in the past when I thought a team we had was really good and should play with anybody only to get creamed by a few elite teams each season. That was before "getting over the edge".....

And what I mean by that is.... Putting all the pieces together completely in every aspect.... 55 great builds, with smart SA, equip, and VAs that all work together with what the OC or DC is trying to do. Specialize your dots for specific situations. Think outside of the box. Experiment. Also, we are lucky to have an OC and DC who knows the players in the system and is familiar enough with their strengths and best use in their system. It's not good enough to just have good dots with good bars. That will get you 10 wins. I agree it might sound cliche or confusing, but that's what I mean. Actually the radio show last night was about just that... Might be worth a listen.

As far as the exploits go. It's beatable for sure. I havnt watched our game closely but you guys got behind and were throwing a ton and we were rushing the passer that it's a passing situation. Tough spot to be in. I will agree that blocking logic should be better and it's being worked on now. That's more important than the new DPC. The DPC doesn't make O-Liners act retarded. That's the blocking code. But that's a whole other argument for GLB main.

Anyways.... GG and def hope to see you guys finish strong. Have some fun. Only one gold trophy so there's always going to be some dissapointed teams out there.

Well, you're kinder than I am.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1447842&pbp_id=8513910

there needs to be more blocking like this... i was amazed when i saw this the first time. I honestly did not know it was possible. Can anyone point out the amazing blocking?

I feel We Rule's pain...alot. Here's my perspective on this...GLB teams break down into the following categories

1) Teams with Massive Spenders. These are teams like Valhalla, HHWC. If you look at Valhalla, how much $ did Alloy spend on creating his entire team? he must have spend $5,000+ on this game. HHWC, the wang bros..combined have probably made and boosted 300 players. They are also seriously dedicated...HHW had a huge drought, from season 4-16 where they didn't win anything. That's like 2 years. Imagine spending, as a group..$6,000 and two years and winning nothing. They merged, got like EVERY knowledgable GLB stud on their GM squad and came through. 100,000 people have probably played GLB..how many are that hardcore and spend that kind of money...10?

look at their GM's...look at their farm system...look at all the time and money. Is this you? that isn't me....

2) Teams with people on them that are massively Hardcore. Osaka stands alone, 5star knows a TON about the game...he spends ALOT of time here...watching film, planning, recruiting, connecting with people. No matter what you think about him, you have to admit..he knows his shit and planned well for the sim of the last 5 seasons. Now, with all that said, how many HOURS a day do you think he spends doing this? 10+ IMO. He might deny it, but I bet he's online at GLB more then a full time job. He reaps the benefit of that.

Is that you? that's not me.


3) Good builders/planners/owners who love the game but have other shit to do - this encompasses probably 100 good WL/PRO teams that always have nice seasons, but maybe fall a little short cuz they don't have A+++ builds, or didn't preplan the next exploit or whatever. This is You, this is Me.

If you are in this group, you just have to like the game and enjoy the process. The Cult, lets say we win SEAPL this season...the chances of us sticking in WL are low. You guys too. Because we aren't #1 or #2 type of squads.

You are going to have your moments, but you'll never been the HHWC or Valhalla or even The Blaze...but honestly the question is, would you want to be?


4) Everybody else..some good folks in there, but will never be more then Pro Fodder..at best.

btw..sweet wall of text BP!!

Originally posted by supbro
Originally posted by We_Rule

Yet we get blown out by teams that we should be able to at least hang with all day. TKW, Rampage...... both blow-out losses where we looked like a 69 bar team when in fact we are considerably higher bars than Buffalo and at the very least equal to TKW on paper.

I'll be honest and say we didn't game plan for your team. We didn't have a single post about your team until after the game. And that was about how a half finished dcreator play making it into the game. We also tried to figure out how you scored 65 points on us.

Rage about lolbars and exploits all you want but your team isn't good enough to hang with us.

Was waiting for the trolls to come out after my post, but I thought it would come from someone more a lot more relevant TBPH. We have actually had 2 threads in our team forum actually about opposing teams all season long, and Rampage wasn't one of them....... so, supbro logic fail pretty much on that one. Also, since our effective level and lolbars are better, supbro logic fail x 2 (not all that surprising though). I also KNOW that your DC (I'm assuming that is VJ, but don't know TBH) planned for us at least..... he just might not have kept you in the loop though since you don't seem to matter much there. Just an outside observation..... might be totally off base, but only you know for sure, right?

The really funny thing is that after this season Rampage will still be right where we are.... stuck in SEA lolPro to do it all over again next season.

To everyone else, I'm sorry for the rant. I OC the Fury in USA Pro as well, and I have a different view of both leagues. USA Pro has some of the same style power-house teams that do well every season for most of the reasons that BP brings up..... bigger clique networks, guys with WAY more time to waste planning, and ultimately more guys gaming the system. I have a different perspective though that I really don't care if we ever get to WL with the Fury..... we have a great time making the play-offs every season and knocking someone out in the post season before we make our exit against someone like SOFPM or Hedgehogs, or someone just a little better. I guess the difference with the Cows is that we were never supposed to be here, and I was honestly hoping to win here, get moved to WL, and then get bounced (albeit back to a region we actually came from). When we first started the Cows, our goal was to make it to USA Pro and stay there...... that was was before WL was around, but our goals didn't really change. Until we got bounced to SEA for fuck's sake.

Originally posted by We_Rule

To everyone else, I'm sorry for the rant. I OC the Fury in USA Pro as well, and I have a different view of both leagues. USA Pro has some of the same style power-house teams that do well every season for most of the reasons that BP brings up..... bigger clique networks, guys with WAY more time to waste planning, and ultimately more guys gaming the system. I have a different perspective though that I really don't care if we ever get to WL with the Fury..... we have a great time making the play-offs every season and knocking someone out in the post season before we make our exit against someone like SOFPM or Hedgehogs, or someone just a little better. I guess the difference with the Cows is that we were never supposed to be here, and I was honestly hoping to win here, get moved to WL, and then get bounced (albeit back to a region we actually came from). When we first started the Cows, our goal was to make it to USA Pro and stay there...... that was was before WL was around, but our goals didn't really change. Until we got bounced to SEA for fuck's sake.

I totally understand the rant, GLB can be really damn annoying. The only issue I have is that SEA clearly rules, you should be happy you ended up here.

Originally posted by BP
I feel We Rule's pain...alot. Here's my perspective on this...GLB teams break down into the following categories

1) Teams with Massive Spenders. These are teams like Valhalla, HHWC. If you look at Valhalla, how much $ did Alloy spend on creating his entire team? he must have spend $5,000+ on this game. HHWC, the wang bros..combined have probably made and boosted 300 players. They are also seriously dedicated...HHW had a huge drought, from season 4-16 where they didn't win anything. That's like 2 years. Imagine spending, as a group..$6,000 and two years and winning nothing. They merged, got like EVERY knowledgable GLB stud on their GM squad and came through. 100,000 people have probably played GLB..how many are that hardcore and spend that kind of money...10?

look at their GM's...look at their farm system...look at all the time and money. Is this you? that isn't me....

2) Teams with people on them that are massively Hardcore. Osaka stands alone, 5star knows a TON about the game...he spends ALOT of time here...watching film, planning, recruiting, connecting with people. No matter what you think about him, you have to admit..he knows his shit and planned well for the sim of the last 5 seasons. Now, with all that said, how many HOURS a day do you think he spends doing this? 10+ IMO. He might deny it, but I bet he's online at GLB more then a full time job. He reaps the benefit of that.

Is that you? that's not me.


3) Good builders/planners/owners who love the game but have other shit to do - this encompasses probably 100 good WL/PRO teams that always have nice seasons, but maybe fall a little short cuz they don't have A+++ builds, or didn't preplan the next exploit or whatever. This is You, this is Me.

If you are in this group, you just have to like the game and enjoy the process. The Cult, lets say we win SEAPL this season...the chances of us sticking in WL are low. You guys too. Because we aren't #1 or #2 type of squads.

You are going to have your moments, but you'll never been the HHWC or Valhalla or even The Blaze...but honestly the question is, would you want to be?


4) Everybody else..some good folks in there, but will never be more then Pro Fodder..at best.



Cop out.

You know how many people spend tons of money and time of this game and don't win? More than 10.

Alloy was an extreme example of one guy with the money to buy a full team but also the brains to completely 100% specialize and integrate an entire roster of 55 guys working together so well it blew people away.

Easy on your assumptions with HHWC. That drought you speak of includes 6 seasons in the WL repeatedly. They were also split between two teams at that time with TKW in the WL as well. The gold trophies didn't come until season 16, but they were far from a drought. If that's you definition than every team not named Hali Valhalla or Blaze was in a drought. Come on now.

And in regards to time... You would be absolutely shocked at how little time some of the top coordinators spend gameplanning. It's moreso their system, base AI, and getting the right dots set up right to work in their system. Playoffs is the only time these cordinators actually scout and put in work. I'm on GLB constantly, but I'm never gameplanning... I'm usually bullshitting around killing time on the way to work, while at work, and on the way home from work. Lol.

I just really think you're off base on your groups and honestly your view of what it takes to succeed.

you would say it's a cop out, because you are part of it. That's all. Whether you see it or not, what I said is true.

Reality is that there have been 8 WL seasons...and 5 of those have been won by Valhalla or HHWC. Alloy and the Wangs are probably in the top .01% of all GLB spenders. They have vast resources that normal humans don't possess or don't care to spend on GLB and they are able to stock, reload, coordinate 100's of available dots.

That's the bottom line, and it's all fair..they spend the $, they get the gold...no worries.

As far as time spent, maybe with 55 perfect ass dots you don't need to gameplan that much....so you prolly got me there.

Details man, it's all about details. There are very small differences between "elite" dots and a "good" dot, maybe some SAs here or VAs there, they are not big differences. But these small details adds up when they are 55 strong. I looked at most of the Valhala's dots, and they were good, but none really made my jaw drop. But they were 1) all solid all around with little weakness, 2) all efficiently built with little waste of SPs and 3) all VA/SA fits their style of play. When all these "small" differences for 55 dots adds up, it's massive.

I'm sure there are a lot of great dots out there, but LOL bars are LOL bars, can't really base much off of that. TBH, and I don't want to come across as been snobbish, but there are a lot of dots in the FA forum are been fought for by Pro/WL teams that makes us go mehh. They are solid dots, and considered by some great, but not so to us, because they don't fit into our system and likely lack in some areas that just won't cut it for making our team.

That said, the gap between the Cows and TKW is really not that big. We are probably a more cohesive unit at the moment and probably have better dots (especially when it comes to the backup unit, our backups are probably just as good as our starters).

Originally posted by BP

Reality is that there have been 8 WL seasons...and 5 of those have been won by Valhalla or HHWC. Alloy and the Wangs are probably in the top .01% of all GLB spenders. They have vast resources that normal humans don't possess or don't care to spend on GLB and they are able to stock, reload, coordinate 100's of available dots.

That's the bottom line, and it's all fair..they spend the $, they get the gold...no worries.



Well, I have spent way too much money on this game. But as my bro broke it down to me before, the value I get out of it (money spent for minute played) is huge. I could be wasting my money on a lot of other crap instead. And if I'd put the time I've used on this game into work, I would have made a small fortune.

That said, money does not lead to those WL trophies. There are also a lot of others who spends a ton, and many people much more than me in this game, and have not even come close to sniffing WL gold. There are so much time and effort needed to win at that level. The money I've spent on this game means nothing compared to the time I've spend on it. Living in China means I don't get to watch a lot of real football, so for football junkie like me, this game is a great fix. That led to a shit load of time for the past 2+ years spent on GLB, and that to me is the difference for winning. Having a lot our own dots only helps in terms of saves up recruiting time, so we can focus on game planning, but that's about it.

The ironic thing is that for the past few seasons, I have not spending a lot of time in this game. As UF said, we don't game plan til the playoffs. Most of the times I spend on GLB is to watch our games. That is probably because now we have a collectively great group of agents that share the responsibilities and makes it easier for everyone else.

Originally posted by datongw
Well, I have spent way too much money on this game. But as my bro broke it down to me before, the value I get out of it (money spent for minute played) is huge. I could be wasting my money on a lot of other crap instead. And if I'd put the time I've used on this game into work, I would have made a small fortune.

That said, money does not lead to those WL trophies. There are also a lot of others who spends a ton, and many people much more than me in this game, and have not even come close to sniffing WL gold. There are so much time and effort needed to win at that level. The money I've spent on this game means nothing compared to the time I've spend on it. Living in China means I don't get to watch a lot of real football, so for football junkie like me, this game is a great fix. That led to a shit load of time for the past 2+ years spent on GLB, and that to me is the difference for winning. Having a lot our own dots only helps in terms of saves up recruiting time, so we can focus on game planning, but that's about it.

The ironic thing is that for the past few seasons, I have not spending a lot of time in this game. As UF said, we don't game plan til the playoffs. Most of the times I spend on GLB is to watch our games. That is probably because now we have a collectively great group of agents that share the responsibilities and makes it easier for everyone else.

I'm not condemning you guys for the money you spend....you are one of the great GLB franchises. I do think you guys would agree that in addition to saving you recruiting time, having so many dots ensures that you always have good dots..that you never have to shop and settle..that you always coordinate anything you want VAwise.

that's all I'm alluding too. There is no need to be apologetic or explanatory about it, there's totally no shame in spending money on something you like. A one week vacation to somewhere nice can cost $1000's and that's gone when you come home. I get it.

My entire point was, you...alloy...you have an advantage....Brown Cows, Wu Dang, Cult, Monks..unless we merge with people like you, we'll just be ho hum pro franchises that do well occasionally.

In every game there is always the big dogs...if you chose to be one and spend the $, you reap the rewards and everybody else, who didn't commit to it, cries foul.

Man, it's really not about the money. If I have to break down into %s, I'd say money spent adds to about 5% of our success. Time spent on this game makes up 95%.

Originally posted by We_Rule
Was waiting for the trolls to come out after my post, but I thought it would come from someone more a lot more relevant TBPH. We have actually had 2 threads in our team forum actually about opposing teams all season long, and Rampage wasn't one of them....... so, supbro logic fail pretty much on that one. Also, since our effective level and lolbars are better, supbro logic fail x 2 (not all that surprising though). I also KNOW that your DC (I'm assuming that is VJ, but don't know TBH) planned for us at least..... he just might not have kept you in the loop though since you don't seem to matter much there. Just an outside observation..... might be totally off base, but only you know for sure, right?

The really funny thing is that after this season Rampage will still be right where we are.... stuck in SEA lolPro to do it all over again next season.

You hurted my feewings.

And it wasn't trolling it was honesty. You talked shit about our team and this league while raging because your team isn't as good as you think it should be.

BP, i gotta say you're really, really off-base with a lot of those claims.

The base AI and a team concept is the most important thing for teams, but you can do both of those things without spending a ton of time gameplanning and without spending a lot of money.

Certainly making your own dots makes it easier to coordinate builds and spend less time recruiting, but there's plenty of teams that coordinate from the start of their dots lives to do that and just do it wrong (or less well) than other teams.

I don't think enough people are willing to recognize that what they do in GLB in terms of builds and coordination is not necessarily the best way to do things. Sometimes it takes looking at what other people do well and adjusting yourself to what challenges are being faced. Throwing the same builds/gameplans every different season doesn't work (that's another issue that some people have an issue with, i don't particularly but that's neither here nor there).

Arguing that everyone who does well either spends a ton of time (not true) or ton of money (also not true) is oversimplifying the sim by a lot. I will concede that some of the top teams do this, but most of them actually divide work up pretty well, look for help from other people, and have a number of agents rather than only a few.