Originally posted by tbsteel
Originally posted by jrry32
No college QB is familiar with a NFL system or NFL reads because it's so much harder and more complicated in the NFL. That's why you really don't put a lot of emphasis on college systems OTHER than seeing if the QB during his time in college went through progressions, made reads and took snaps under center. What you look for in a QB is qualities that will make the translation easier like a quick release, pre-snap recognition, the ability to go through progressions and make reads, accuracy and maturity. That's what you look for. All this spread vs. pro style system bullshit is nothing more than generalized talk casual fans try to use as a basis for an argument because they have not seen enough of a player to make a personalized argument.
I've probably watched a good 8-9 games Sam Bradford has played in, highlights of several more.
Pre-snap recognition? You mean like Bradford faking a hike to see how the defense reacts, then looking back towards the sidelines so his coaching staff can tell him whether to change the play or not and what kind of coverage he is facing? Yeah, that happens a lot in the NFL.
You do understand that's the system Oklahoma runs, right? Bradford has NO experience of how to read a defense before the snap, because his coaching staff at Oklahoma did that for him. His footwork under center is still unproven considering a vast majority of his passes come out of shotgun. He has an average arm. I hate his pocket presence and his accuracy falls apart when pressured or on the run. The OU system is built on receivers finding openings in zones and areas of the field and doesn't ask their QB to anticipate guys breaking open.
You are DEAD wrong about this. Like Bradford as a prospect or not, but arguing he's the most pro ready prospect in the last DECADE (which is what you have done here) is flat out wrong. If anyone needs to leave this thread, it's you.
I mean you are wrong but you are trying, this is good. Bradford didn't have the freedom to make pre-snap reads like Clausen but he did have reads he had to make. In terms of Arm strength, Bradford has all he needs. People overrated arm strength, Bradford can make any throw asked of him in the NFL. I really don't care if Cutler can throw the ball 70-80 yards and Bradford can only throw it 65. When are you ever asked to throw the ball 70 yards in the NFL?
His footwork is not unproven, Oklahoma ran a lot of playaction passes and did pass under center quite often. At Bradford's pro day, the scouts/analysts were all talking about how good his footwork was.
As for his pocket presence, I couldn't disagree more but that's your opinion and he actually has quite good accuracy on the run but w/e. Keep making your statements.
As for him being the most Pro ready, that's my opinion after seeing a lot of Bradford in college and I'll stick to it. He has every attribute you look for in a QB to succeed early.
EDIT: Then again, evaluating QBs is an imperfect art. Who thought Dan Marino would have his amazing rookie year after a subpar last season at Pitt or Matt Ryan would have his very good rookie year after struggles with ints and consistency in college? I guess we'll see what happens.
Originally posted by jrry32
No college QB is familiar with a NFL system or NFL reads because it's so much harder and more complicated in the NFL. That's why you really don't put a lot of emphasis on college systems OTHER than seeing if the QB during his time in college went through progressions, made reads and took snaps under center. What you look for in a QB is qualities that will make the translation easier like a quick release, pre-snap recognition, the ability to go through progressions and make reads, accuracy and maturity. That's what you look for. All this spread vs. pro style system bullshit is nothing more than generalized talk casual fans try to use as a basis for an argument because they have not seen enough of a player to make a personalized argument.
I've probably watched a good 8-9 games Sam Bradford has played in, highlights of several more.
Pre-snap recognition? You mean like Bradford faking a hike to see how the defense reacts, then looking back towards the sidelines so his coaching staff can tell him whether to change the play or not and what kind of coverage he is facing? Yeah, that happens a lot in the NFL.
You do understand that's the system Oklahoma runs, right? Bradford has NO experience of how to read a defense before the snap, because his coaching staff at Oklahoma did that for him. His footwork under center is still unproven considering a vast majority of his passes come out of shotgun. He has an average arm. I hate his pocket presence and his accuracy falls apart when pressured or on the run. The OU system is built on receivers finding openings in zones and areas of the field and doesn't ask their QB to anticipate guys breaking open.
You are DEAD wrong about this. Like Bradford as a prospect or not, but arguing he's the most pro ready prospect in the last DECADE (which is what you have done here) is flat out wrong. If anyone needs to leave this thread, it's you.
I mean you are wrong but you are trying, this is good. Bradford didn't have the freedom to make pre-snap reads like Clausen but he did have reads he had to make. In terms of Arm strength, Bradford has all he needs. People overrated arm strength, Bradford can make any throw asked of him in the NFL. I really don't care if Cutler can throw the ball 70-80 yards and Bradford can only throw it 65. When are you ever asked to throw the ball 70 yards in the NFL?
His footwork is not unproven, Oklahoma ran a lot of playaction passes and did pass under center quite often. At Bradford's pro day, the scouts/analysts were all talking about how good his footwork was.
As for his pocket presence, I couldn't disagree more but that's your opinion and he actually has quite good accuracy on the run but w/e. Keep making your statements.
As for him being the most Pro ready, that's my opinion after seeing a lot of Bradford in college and I'll stick to it. He has every attribute you look for in a QB to succeed early.
EDIT: Then again, evaluating QBs is an imperfect art. Who thought Dan Marino would have his amazing rookie year after a subpar last season at Pitt or Matt Ryan would have his very good rookie year after struggles with ints and consistency in college? I guess we'll see what happens.
Edited by jrry32 on Jul 16, 2010 21:11:00
