Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Luzod
Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by thehazyone
They played Gamblers tough last season as well (we came from behind to win). They aren't nearly the same team this season that they have been.
Which can be attributed to losing their STs unit and losing Havoc.(although that was after S8) Also, it looks very possible that WSI will end up 5-11 or 6-10.
Lol, seriously, why do you think Havoc would affect their performance difference from season 8 to 9? Did he curse the team? lol 
They fell from last season to this season, nobody is talking about season 7->8 here, jrry 
Anyway, they changed a 'key position' in their staff, so maybe that was the reason of their early losses. I'm quite sure it was the reason of the big performance difference we had earlier.
Luzod, no offense but you are wrong, they were not good vs. USA Pro teams last year. S8 was the last season were they were truly at their peak. And I think losing Havoc as a Coordinator along with Run Hard was a huge double whammy for them.
Seriously. Being completely honest, I don't think I noticed any great difference on the monkeys with Havoc as OC nor WSI without Havoc as OC. I'm not saying that Havoc is not great, he certainly is and kicked my butt last season in SA conference finals btw. However, I really think steinrat is rather impressive OC as well, so not a big loss tbh.
As for RUN HARD players... yeah, I think it was a loss.
Anyway, I'm quite sure that the true change on their performance was due to
this season OCs change. I can tell you for sure that it takes a while for new OCs to get used with their teams, so usually people lose in their debut with the new team unless they get some games to test. Anyway, just my opinion.