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Originally posted by kevins4484
Good thing no one gives a crap what you think.

Want to put that in bold?



If you are going to attack, why not try to bring up factual things. Many have put up information that can be proven.

Fight back, but at least do it with information.

Originally posted by joemalaka

Catspaw on this thread said he is honorable. Is it honorable to give a team an inactive player for an active player, knowing the team getting the inactive will be hurt by it? Where is the honor in that?

Honorable and illegal are two COMPLETELY different things. I am choosing to not comment on whether or not I believe the particular trade was honorable. I am saying, however, that I've yet to see any illegal activity by Cats.

You asked, "But what if Catspaw knew what was happening?" and therein lies the question. I said earlier, IF Catspaw knew that Billy was gutting a team, and he purposely took advantage of it to better the Bandits, then YES, there would be collusion. That's exactly what collusion is (more or less... typically there has to be a particular party being screwed over, which in this case, is tough to prove, but for the sake of argument, it'd be the entire league).

However, I haven't seen anything definitive to show that Catspaw knew that Billy was gutting a team. Barring that, it's not collusion.

Originally posted by billyvassi
Originally posted by PS3


Post the PMs publically, I give them permission to. I asked them for info about the gutting and some suspicious stuff came up. And I'm sure them being in contact with you still isn't suspicious even though they were RANDOM people you traded for right? So why would they keep in contact with you? They were just RANDOM trades right?


They were people who were left behind, not people who were traded for. They PMed me and said mods were investigating, I asked who (wanted to PM them and explain my side) and they said PS3.

I said I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and that's what I'll do

So you said 3 people who were left behind (and 1 PMed me and probably won't talk to you), there were 2 people left who I PMed and they didn't respond to my PMs but PMed you saying a "mod" was investigating (even though I made no such claim).....? Why do I have a feeling that you know who was traded to the team? Especially the guy who traded the players on the multiple accounts. I did PM him and he told me to stop spamming him.


I didn't say Brisbane was the only team that benefited. You can do 27 random trades but as long as 3 of those trades were where you had the intent to move specific players onto specific teams, then that's collusion. Doing a couple random trades doesn't make it any less of collusion.

Originally posted by Ballbright
rational discussion?



He aired the gripes in a private team forum first...that is the right thing to do. Then rather than discuss it with him you banned him? The bandits look more and more guilty with every sentence typed...

umm he posted it to try to get the bandits to get mad at
billyvassi. joe posted it like a advertisement which got
cats mad so he locked the thread and banned joe. joe then
threatened to sabotage the team. joe said he would go
against the gameplan and play relaxed. case closed!

Originally posted by atm490
Originally posted by joemalaka


Catspaw on this thread said he is honorable. Is it honorable to give a team an inactive player for an active player, knowing the team getting the inactive will be hurt by it? Where is the honor in that?

Honorable and illegal are two COMPLETELY different things. I am choosing to not comment on whether or not I believe the particular trade was honorable. I am saying, however, that I've yet to see any illegal activity by Cats.

You asked, "But what if Catspaw knew what was happening?" and therein lies the question. I said earlier, IF Catspaw knew that Billy was gutting a team, and he purposely took advantage of it to better the Bandits, then YES, there would be collusion. That's exactly what collusion is (more or less... typically there has to be a particular party being screwed over, which in this case, is tough to prove, but for the sake of argument, it'd be the entire league).

However, I haven't seen anything definitive to show that Catspaw knew that Billy was gutting a team. Barring that, it's not collusion.



So him banning the player from the team forums for bringing up the gutting was just a coincidence right? He knew the GM was on the gutted team yet he accepted a trade anyways and of course he had no hand in the gutting right? He posts partial PMs to discredit the OP yet was clearly twisting the facts to make the OP look bad, that's not suspicious too right? You're right, unless someone takes a look at PMs (which is illegal unless given permission and you're not gonna get the whole truth that way), then there's no way to know for 100% sure. But judging by what we do know, I'm pretty sure the owner knew what was going on.

Originally posted by Ballbright
Originally posted by atm490

I'll admit that now you're closer, but that's still circumstantial. What you've proven is that Catspaw is guilty of being an opportunistic Owner, but still no collusion.

Unless the PM from Billy to Catspaw said, "Cats... I'm gutting this team. Want this CB?" then it's not collusion.


No, you don't have to be gutting to be colluding. Just stripping a team of its resources. If billy made one trade only and it was the trade to the bandits it would still be colluding.

I never said you HAD to be gutting to be colluding. However, in this case, that would be the easiest way to show that Billy and Cats were colluding.

Originally posted by Ballbright

He was removing a resource from the Thrashers with the sole benefit (in that instance) of bettering the Bandits. That trade did nothing for the Thrashers, and was solely designed to benefit a team Billy was on.

Again, that does nothing to show any wrongdoing by Cats... only Billy. Billy made a trade that helped gut a team and better a team that he was on.

Originally posted by Ballbright

If you think Catspaw had no knowledge that he was trading a non resource for a good player...then I highly doubt you make any money being a lawyer...


Come on now.... let's not make this personal. But if you insist, I do <i>quite</i> well for myself.

That was intended for a post above your joey balls. This shit is going to fast for me.

Originally posted by
However, I haven't seen anything definitive to show that Catspaw knew that Billy was gutting a team. Barring that, it's not collusion.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE GUTTING A TEAM< OR EVEN HAVE KNOWLEDGE THAT A TEAM IS BEING GUTTED TO BE COLLUDING.

Colluding happens when two or more parties make a deal that benefits one party at the expense of another.

That happened here. Billy, as GM of the Thrashers, offered Catspaw A CB and an HB for an INACTIVE player....

If Catspaw didn't think that was odd, he has the approximate intelligence of a box full of hammers...

Wow you're a regular Nancy Drew.

It couldn't be that the people didn't reply to you because they support me and PMed me to tell me about you.

Nooo, it has to be something faaaaaaar more.... convoluted.

Originally posted by joemalaka
Originally posted by joemalaka

Originally posted by catspaw27


Wow, that's quite a lot to digest.

I won't go on and defend anything, it's pointless. I will make two thoughts public though:

When players become available you do what you can to grab them. The only Thrasher player upset was the one who WASN'T traded away from an inactive team.

You don't air issues with other players in team forums and try to get them in trouble. Trying to create gossip is like high school. That's not what teammates do. They should be looking out for each other, not setting them up to fail.

That's it. Easy stuff. I have nothing to hide, consider myself to be an honorable owner and coach... but I can't make everyone happy.

If anyone has questions please feel free to PM me, but I won't feed the gossip machine.

You have already fed the gossip machine. You gave Drifter just a bit of a PM I sent you. You didn't give him my first PM and your first PM response to me. You left that out, making it look like I threatened you before you benched me.

Why did you do that? If you do not want to feed the gossip machine, why are you giving out incomplete information?



Catspaw just PM'ed me telling me he will not respond to this. He has given out little information from PM's I sent him but only cut and paste to make me look bad. He will not respond about the first PM's. How is that honorable?

He also stated that I brought it to the public GLB forum and that made it worse. Catspaw in a PM told me to take it public because he was honorable and it would be ok. Now is he made that I did.

Originally posted by
Come on now.... let's not make this personal. But if you insist, I do <i>quite</i> well for myself.

Wasn't intended to be personal...just to show the degree of naivety required to believ e this wasn't colluding...

ballbright is an idiot. i aint the town idiot, joe is.

Catspaw won't respond because he doesn't want to incriminate himself more than the O.J. level of guilt he has already accumulated.

Of course that is just my opinion...

So when can we expect that "If I did it" book Catspaw?

Originally posted by bigpimpin123
Originally posted by civarian

Originally posted by HaplosDog


Originally posted by civarian



seriously, it took me forever to read this thread. i would pay money for everyone to sit on their hands for five minutes so i could absorb it.

what is it that you wish to accomplish? and i mean specifically, the main contributors in this thread, what do you think is going to come of this very public, and imo very juvenile and nasty airing of your dirty laundry? joe? billy? cats? ball?

because this devolved into a pissing contest ten pages ago, and nothing is being accomplished. so if there is some solution to be had, lets hear it.





maybe if they would stop being so defensive and take responsibility, everyone would

clearly whatever =is= going on is a problem, and for a lot of people. and oceania pro league doesn't need this shame. i wish you boys could just attempt to put the cards on the table and sort them out.

Originally posted by Daman
we should take this to a forum court. who wants to run for judge for scandal?
1. i will run . daman
2. who is it? it might be you?
(this will keep going not just two people)

Great, the village idiot has shown up...

...will someone please translate whatever it is that he said in the above quote?