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Originally posted by Admerylous
Originally posted by hutchins929




That is a great point. Obama wants to raise taxes on everyone making more than 250k a year, including small and big businesses. Put yourself in their shoes. Would you stay here in America and pay 36% in taxes? Or would you move your company to another country, like Ireland, and pay only 11% in taxes? Raising taxes on anyone would be disastrous in these economic times! How many more jobs will be lost? If Obama goes through with his tax plan. I'll be afraid to hear the answer.


Hey, John McCain, I heard you mention that last night. I chuckled a bit when I imagined Joe, the plumber, packing his things up to take his profession to Ireland for their 11% rates. I hear there is a big demand for plumbers out there.

That's why small businesses will be hurt the most tbh. Big corporations will go overseas, so they could care less. We're screwing our work force with them. But small business owners can't go overseas, they actually have to stay here and get screwed.

Cutting spending or controlling spending isn't a bad idea, but it's not a solution to how to distribute the tax burden. While they interact with each other cutting spending changes the total amount of the tax burden not how it's distributed.

I'd say jobs move overseas to do cheap labour in other countries and free trade.

I doubt any project to cure cancer makes computers/cars vastly cheaper/better was been scrapped because it wasn't profitable enough. For tax rates to even have an effect first the project would need to be profitable even changing the tax rates how much more profitable would you be able to make it 10-20%?

Originally posted by suckstobesara
Cutting spending or controlling spending isn't a bad idea, but it's not a solution to how to distribute the tax burden. While they interact with each other cutting spending changes the total amount of the tax burden not how it's distributed.

I'd say jobs move overseas to do cheap labour in other countries and free trade.

I doubt any project to cure cancer makes computers/cars vastly cheaper/better was been scrapped because it wasn't profitable enough. For tax rates to even have an effect first the project would need to be profitable even changing the tax rates how much more profitable would you be able to make it 10-20%?

That's right. I don't want to increase taxes on the poor but I think the wealthy should pay the same tax rate. As a result, I wouldn't mess with the tax scheme until I had cut spending to the point where the tax burden is lower, and then would lop off the increased tax rate on the wealthy. This would be pretty easy imo, I'm a big advocate of state government and pockets of experimentation, so beside the incredible excesses and inefficiences of the federal government, there are also a number of areas which would be better handled by the states.

Of course people would scream about how the wealthy are getting breaks and the poor aren't, but that's the whole tactic I've been arguing against all along. They're not any worse off, and aren't being treated unfairly, so shouldn't be upset about anything. They just feel ENTITLED to what they have without reason other than "it's been this way" which is dumb. Life isn't a one-way ratchet.

And on the taxing corporate projects thing, you have a point, but I think it is nullified by how complicated corporate taxation schemes are, and the fact that they spread costs and profits over a number of years and take that into effect when calculating whether to undertake future projects, I'm sure.

I tell you what needs to be done. Deport Illegal Immigrants! Lou Dobbs recently reported that 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. How much money does Americas tax payers NEED to fork out, for these Illegal Immigrants? The answer is NONE! We need to deport these criminals and take back this country! Billions of dollars are being spent on people that are, not only here illegally but breaking the law again while they are here. On top of the fact that a good number of the others are living off of the hard working people who are living paycheck to paycheck.

That's a lot of cutting to do to lop the tax burden on the wealthy. Also shifting the burden to states just makes it a state issue rather then a national one it doesn't eliminate it.

http://www.publicagenda.com/citizen/electionguides/taxesdebt

You can pull up expenditures as well.

What do you cut and how do you cut it to vastly reduce tax rates??
What rate is "fair" for everyone?
Does it start with your first dollar or your 10 thousandth?

Their speeches at the charity event tonight/last night were pretty funny.

yeah I agree... pretty funny!

Respect Joe The Plumber!!!!!

Have you actually seen the digging that has been done regarding "Joe the Plumber"?

It's kind of funny.

Owes over 1000 in taxes, a registered Republican, not actually licensed as a plumber, the business he wants to make doesn't net 100,000k a year. He would save more money under Obama personally than McCain. So forth and so on. Yikes.

Originally posted by Admerylous
Have you actually seen the digging that has been done regarding "Joe the Plumber"?

It's kind of funny.

Owes over 1000 in taxes, a registered Republican, not actually licensed as a plumber, the business he wants to make doesn't net 100,000k a year. He would save more money under Obama personally than McCain. So forth and so on. Yikes.



Not surprising tbh. This is why I hate when parties get off the major issues and trade jabs just to trade jabs. In all reality, what does Joe the Plumber mean to this election? Nothing. Ugh, I hate politics.

I'm going to be Joe the Plumber for Halloween. I'm not joking.

Originally posted by Admerylous
Have you actually seen the digging that has been done regarding "Joe the Plumber"?

It's kind of funny.

Owes over 1000 in taxes, a registered Republican, not actually licensed as a plumber, the business he wants to make doesn't net 100,000k a year. He would save more money under Obama personally than McCain. So forth and so on. Yikes.




Really, I haven't seen this yet. If that's all true it could end this thing right now. If McCain would bring this guy into the debate without doing his homework then he is pretty ignorant. I'm not saying that I believe this. I'll have to check into it. But, what a stupid thing to do! I'll still vote for him because Obama scares me. What were Republicans thinking when they nominated this guy? Romney is who I voted for. If we had him right now with the economic crisis... This would be a lot closer.

I would say the American people wouldn't vote in a Mormon (nothing wrong with them btw, good people), but we are on the verge of a black man in the white house.

I know this may sound funky, but should Obama win, I do think it will open the door for the best candidates to win in the future since that fear of "Oh noez a black! OMG a woman!" will be a little less there. Though, I don't think a non Christian will have a shot for a very long time, if ever.

I guess to put it in a sports view, there was Jackie Robinson. He wasn't even in the top 10 of players in the negro leagues, but his personality or something else got him to the majors, and opened the door for really good players to play.

Originally posted by DrkSandman
I know this may sound funky, but should Obama win, I do think it will open the door for the best candidates to win in the future since that fear of "Oh noez a black! OMG a woman!" will be a little less there. Though, I don't think a non Christian will have a shot for a very long time, if ever.

This is potentially the only positive I see coming out of the Obama presidency. Well, that and increased respect internationally. But I think if we simmer down, fix our own economy and country and quit meddling in other countries, that would come with any president.

Originally posted by tjking82
Originally posted by DrkSandman

I know this may sound funky, but should Obama win, I do think it will open the door for the best candidates to win in the future since that fear of "Oh noez a black! OMG a woman!" will be a little less there. Though, I don't think a non Christian will have a shot for a very long time, if ever.

This is potentially the only positive I see coming out of the Obama presidency. Well, that and increased respect internationally. But I think if we simmer down, fix our own economy and country and quit meddling in other countries, that would come with any president.

I don't even think he needs to necessarily get elected at this point for people to realize that there are more people than just white males that can run the country. He has a lot more supporters than he would have if he ran even 20 years ago, which shows how far we've come as a society as far as race relations are concerned.