Warrior General Games

Originally posted by hatchman
first I want to say that I am not saying I agree or disagree with what you have said. I just want to add to your example of DS being successful. I think you also have to allow for the coordinating of the teams as well as the builds. DS has some of the best coordinating in the game so that is a huge part of the success of the group that hasn't been mentioned.

can't disagree.

Originally posted by thelanger
ok so how about i give ye both a goal of making a man2man cb with end build of
speed 160+
agility90+
vision 85+
jumping 70+
tackling 70+
stamina 60+
strength and confidence 50+

change direction, swat ball, supervision and sdc 8+ preferably 10+
deflect ball 15+
make tackl15%+
avoid fake 12%+

ye should both be able to go well over the targets there imo

interested to see the results tbh


Here's the build, sorry but I did it a bit in a rush :| still turned out OK, although I personally wouldn't build like this.

Player Build
Position: cb_man_specialist
Season: 9
Day: 1
Boosts: 30
Level: 79
XP: 225
VA XP: 600
VA: 72
Bonus Tokens: 1238
Training Points: 0
SP: 0

Training Status:
strength : 20%
speed : 1%
agility : 4%
jumping : 9%
stamina : 6%
vision : 6%
confidence : 5%
blocking : 0%
throwing : 0%
catching : 0%
carrying : 0%
tackling : 4%
kicking : 0%
punting : 0%

Attributes:
strength : 50
speed : 105.1
agility : 92.1
jumping : 73.1
stamina : 62.26
vision : 89.1
confidence : 50.26
blocking : 6
throwing : 8
catching : 22.26
carrying : 8
tackling : 71.26
kicking : 8
punting : 8

Top SA Tree: | 7 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 4 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Additional SA Tree: | 0 | 28 | 10 | 3 | 3 |

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Player Value = 1520.54
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AEQ1: +6 SDC +13 SPD
AEQ2: +15% DB% +13 SPD
AEQ3: +15% MT%, +13 SPD
CEQ: +1 shutdown corner tree, +12% avoid fake, +6 SPD
Normal EQ: +10 SPD

Totals with EQ: 160 SPD, 92 AGI, 89 VIS, 73 JMP, 71 TKL, 62 STA, 50 CON, 50 STR, 11 SDC, 9 SVision, 8 swat ball, 8 change direction, 15% deflect ball,l 15% make tackle, 12% avoid fake.

at 1238 BTs, even with 900 for upgrades, I assume like 250 for the three pieces' shopping/creating costs, would still leave us with 88 BTs, which means I could get 88/15 = 5 SPs more.

I guess he meant it when he said;
Originally posted by mwoods07
his conversation is done in my eyes.

Well, if he decides to stay ignorant, it is his choice. Others can still learn.

Originally posted by Hagalaz
Well, if he decides to stay ignorant, it is his choice. Others can still learn.

I swear man if you weren't such a pompous person on here people may take what you say seriously. But the smart alec attitude and how you try to portrait you are better than others on here simply make you look like a jackass with a littleman complex.

I do think you got me all wrong, but fine by me.

Is it so "pompous" to hate that people shove words in your mouth?
Is it so "smart alec" (whatever that means) to want people to be correct in what they say?
Is it so "jackass" to expect people in a position of perceived power to be held to higher standards?

I've been in this game since 2008, and never other than this month did I have problems like these. Why do you think that is?

EDIT: Really, I don't "try to portray" anything. I simply HATE, and I do mean UTTERLY VISCERALLY HATE that people shove words in my mouth and misinterpret what I say. I say "water is wet" and people read into that phrase a billion things that are not there... And that makes me feel HORRIBLE.

Originally posted by Hagalaz
I do think you got me all wrong, but fine by me.

Is it so "pompous" to hate that people shove words in your mouth?
Is it so "smart alec" (whatever that means) to want people to be correct in what they say?
Is it so "jackass" to expect people in a position of perceived power to be held to higher standards?

I've been in this game since 2008, and never other than this month did I have problems like these. Why do you think that is?

EDIT: Really, I don't "try to portray" anything. I simply HATE, and I do mean UTTERLY VISCERALLY HATE that people shove words in my mouth and misinterpret what I say. I say "water is wet" and people read into that phrase a billion things that are not there... And that makes me feel HORRIBLE.

Horrible to virtual you, or real life you?

I'm sorry, what? That question makes no sense... What do you mean ?

Originally posted by Hagalaz
I do think you got me all wrong, but fine by me.

Is it so "pompous" to hate that people shove words in your mouth?
Is it so "smart alec" (whatever that means) to want people to be correct in what they say?
Is it so "jackass" to expect people in a position of perceived power to be held to higher standards?

I've been in this game since 2008, and never other than this month did I have problems like these. Why do you think that is?

EDIT: Really, I don't "try to portray" anything. I simply HATE, and I do mean UTTERLY VISCERALLY HATE that people shove words in my mouth and misinterpret what I say. I say "water is wet" and people read into that phrase a billion things that are not there... And that makes me feel HORRIBLE.

So, in saying "water is wet," you mean tidal waves are caused by global warming, so massive corporations are destroying the planet, right? Not trying to put words in your mouth...

¬_¬ Yeah something like that, mr Ed... It's happened often in this thread.

Ok. I think it is time for everyone reading this thread, including myself, to verbalize to Hagalaz that we do indeed understand the very complex concept that level 79s have a distinct advantage over level 73s. I think you could safely estimate that it's a 100 SP advantage which is significant.

Feel better?

Going back to my original statement, looks like I was pretty dead on despite being an "idiot" who posted a "false statement". BTW, what was that false statement again? You never did point that out. One last question: are you familiar with the difference between fact and opinion?

Originally posted by Hagalaz
I do think you got me all wrong, but fine by me.

Is it so "pompous" to hate that people shove words in your mouth?
Is it so "smart alec" (whatever that means) to want people to be correct in what they say?
Is it so "jackass" to expect people in a position of perceived power to be held to higher standards?

I've been in this game since 2008, and never other than this month did I have problems like these. Why do you think that is?

EDIT: Really, I don't "try to portray" anything. I simply HATE, and I do mean UTTERLY VISCERALLY HATE that people shove words in my mouth and misinterpret what I say. I say "water is wet" and people read into that phrase a billion things that are not there... And that makes me feel HORRIBLE.

No Pompous is you trying to portrait that your way of building is the only way that works on the game. and that you call people idiots for not agreeing with you.

Smart Alec is a nice way to say smart ass which from everything I have read that you have posted for the most part is exactly what you are.

and Jackass is simply anyone like yourself that argues that someones opinion is supposed to be judged as a factual statement.

Dear T2. Fact is that I disagreed with your method, not your conclusion. Opinion is you and the rest of the idiots here thinking I was defending a team just because I was in it, something I would never do in any circumstance.

That's the main difference between fact and opinion in this case. However, if should you desire a more abstract definition, fact is something that is substantiated and backed up by palpable, provable evidence that can be replicated. An opinion is a personal belief that doesn't need to be based on anything real or actually be the truth.

Now, Hatchman, if you might have noticed, I didn't say my way was the ONLY one that worked. What you should have seen was me telling that woods guy's that HIS method was worse than mine, and it is. If one is enforcing 4 AEQ in every position and role and doesn't even understand why or has calculated it, what do you expect? Mine isn't perfect, but his is even FURTHER away from perfect.

Now, fine, I am indeed a jackass per your definition. It's not my definition, though. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but NO ONE should be ALLOWED to make really impactful decisions based on an unsubstantiated opinion.

Again, I'm getting even more fed and tired of people reading my words and drawing something that isn't written. Could we please stick to the words that I do write, and not ones that I don't? Is it too much to ask? Or is that "pompous" and "smart alec" and therefore unacceptable? I mean, in my eyes, this is the bare MINIMUM people can expect of each other in a forum.

EDIT: And I mean, really, I've been around since mid 2008. I've never had this problem anywhere. I haven't changed my way of posting. How did I avoid this altogether and suddenly am faced with people being irrational and misinterpreting me and INSISTING on doing it even when told they are doing so? Do you guys WANT to be wrong? Is it some sort of joke to you guys? I mean, really, what the friggin HELL????

Fact: you couldn't possibly know the depth of my method to which I drew a conclusion. Another fact: you disagreeing with my methods of opinion making (which you cannot know how, you can only assume, which you did) and then refusing to accept the outcome as substantiating is preposterous.

Opinion: you were defending the team, otherwise what was your motive for reading and commenting on the thread the way you did. You claim you weren't in order to strengthen an otherwise weaksauce argument. Avoiding the actual results and pigeon holing the argument to one single variable is the act of desperation by someone who has apparently never conceded defeat in an argument. Your propensity to sling words like idiots and immediately going on the defensive further weakens any credibility you could bring to this thread.

Also, that mwoods dude was trolling you. Go look at his dots and see how many 4AEQ dots he actually has.

Originally posted by T2
Fact: you couldn't possibly know the depth of my method to which I drew a conclusion.
Correct, that is why I asked.

Originally posted by
Another fact: you disagreeing with my methods of opinion making (which you cannot know how, you can only assume, which you did) and then refusing to accept the outcome as substantiating is preposterous.
What is preposterous is that you commit a logical fallacy and think it is the truth. Effect does not imply cause, it's the other way around, cause implies effect. And I CAN know after I asked and you answered. Once you did answer, BAM, I know. And I did ask, and you did answer, and THEN I formed my opinion, which is STILL CORRECT as you keep proving me.

Originally posted by
Opinion: you were defending the team
Of course, I know that is your opinion. It's wrong since the start but I can't get you to bloody understand that. I honestly for a moment considered leaving the team and STILL argue this to see if it would get it into your thick skull that you were wrong, but honestly I don't believe you would understand. You are too stubborn and refuse to accept the facts.


Originally posted by
otherwise what was your motive for reading and commenting on the thread the way you did.
Gee, maybe the motive I've been stating and reiterating over and over again in this thread: I DO NOT LIKE IT THAT PEOPLE SAY SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY WRONG. And this is about EVERY. SINGLE. THING!


Originally posted by
You claim you weren't in order to strengthen an otherwise weaksauce argument.
Sure, and you are a martian trying to generate chaos in a game forum in order to take over the world. See, I can say false things about you too!

Originally posted by
Avoiding the actual results and pigeon holing the argument to one single variable is the act of desperation by someone who has apparently never conceded defeat in an argument.
Or maybe someone who is in fact correct that that single variable is wrong. As it was, and still is.

Originally posted by
Your propensity to sling words like idiots and immediately going on the defensive further weakens any credibility you could bring to this thread.
Yeah, I can see that people here would rather believe someone like you. I am well aware of the state of this game in general... Doesn't mean anything though. I don't need a crowd in order to tell you that you are A) an idiot B) wrong. All I need is the facts that substantiate that.A) is substantiated by you being all defensive about something you did wrong. B) is substantiated by the fact that you look at one unique game between two differently leveled teams and judge something from that. You can't. A single game is not statistically significant and if you don't look at the levels, you are grabbing your opinion out of thin air.

Originally posted by
Also, that mwoods dude was trolling you. Go look at his dots and see how many 4AEQ dots he actually has.
Do not care. I'd rather take that than risk someone being deceived into building their players worse. That is more important to me.