Warrior General Games

Originally posted by sirallan
and I am sure one game they will do this and pass 95% of the time. Then they will create the issue of either rushing every down or passing every down and teams will have to also guess what the better option is. Basically giving yourself a 50/50 chance to beat a team of equal or better lvl

And my main point has been that they seem to not be allowing for such a threat to even exist now, by the way.
You're arguing that they will have this threat.
Fine. Let them prove it.

At this point in time, they don't have that threat and I don't think a team without a "real QB" can even pretend to have that threat until they prove that threat exists.

So, until they prove that threat exists, I think their only argument for this being the best way to win right now would simply be an argument based on their competitors' builds and that piece of metagame.

An argument based on their ability to threaten people with running OR passing is a bad argument that you'd be destined to fail, tbh.

anyone else notice the secondary starts to persue 7 ticks before the ball is thrown

Originally posted by sirallan
...you can make a running QB into a passing QB and a blocking WR into a speed reciever.

Dude, I'm trying to enlighten you a little.
...what you said there was the opposite of true.

Just sayin'

Originally posted by Malachorn

And my main point has been that they seem to not be allowing for such a threat to even exist now, by the way.
You're arguing that they will have this threat.
Fine. Let them prove it.

At this point in time, they don't have that threat and I don't think a team without a "real QB" can even pretend to have that threat until they prove that threat exists.

So, until they prove that threat exists, I think their only argument for this being the best way to win right now would simply be an argument based on their competitors' builds and that piece of metagame.

An argument based on their ability to threaten people with running OR passing is a bad argument that you'd be destined to fail, tbh.

I agree that right now they haven't proved at ALL they have a viable threat other than pitches to Tea and QB runs. From what we have seen their QB = rushing QB and only rushing QB. I am just saying that there is a possibility that they can make this team into a decent passing team. And when faced against a 100% stop run defense a decent passing game would become great.

Originally posted by Malachorn

Dude, I'm trying to enlighten you a little.
...what you said there was the opposite of true.

Just sayin'

Well I guess that's your opinion and I guess we will find out what the Kai have up their sleeve because the offense they are running now will be contained by good teams.

Originally posted by sirallan
I agree that right now they haven't proved at ALL they have a viable threat other than pitches to Tea and QB runs. From what we have seen their QB = rushing QB and only rushing QB. I am just saying that there is a possibility that they can make this team into a decent passing team. And when faced against a 100% stop run defense a decent passing game would become great.

I would wonder if they would still be rather inept and it'd be comparable to level 15s not being able to beat level 50s whatever their gameplan.

But even if you were right... they would only be great for one game before their other competitors thought they might need to accommodate the passing threat more. After that, their running game might even be better, as they were now facing teams that also cared to try and stop the passing threat. But their passing game would most certainly suffer and their inadequate builds wouldn't even allow them to be effective at all with it.

So, what's the lesson here?
A running QB only hurts your passing game and doesn't "threaten" the other team like a passing QB can.

The only real reason to use a running QB then should be because the running plays for a QB prove to be more effective... and I would argue that those running plays for a QB will be FAR LESS EFFECTIVE against good teams that aren't going to try and stop the pass.

If a running QB IS the way to go then it would be because of the way the sim works and anything in there that would make the dots react differently on those plays... or just a broken play.

TBH, I don't think you can talk about something like the triple-option in GLB, since you can't run it.
So really, I think the best bet for the running QBs would actually be on passing plays where the defense broke down and the running QB was then able to take advantage (a dual-threat QB then, actually)... but it doesn't seem the game really is very kind to that kind of idea either, tbh.

Mostly, I guess this sums up my feelings pretty well:
Why is it such a good idea for a team dedicated to running to, it seems, completely remove the threat of the pass?

Originally posted by deltadawg210
Seriously, I know bars mean nothing, but how is a team a 60 overall that bad?

they arent a bad team, this was a bad game for them is all. Just promoted from AAA

Originally posted by Malachorn
Originally posted by ashes

but throwing is something that they already know they can do. isnt it easier to have a passing set that you can throw out (after working out all the kinks previously) against a team that you believe will take you up on stopping the run?

its mental warfare, the Kai seem to have an edge on this (with promoting their product, stirring up controversy, getting on front page news as far as big hit response threads in the general forum)

what are they going to do next game? how about in the playoffs, they wouldnt dare put 100% rushing plays in...would they?


And I would argue that bringing in a QB that is an ineffective passer and placing him on a team that even has WRs built for running plays and are VERY nonthreatening in the passing game kinda nullifies your argument there.

...kinda makes Kai incapable of doing anything but running about 100% of the time, tbh.
No "edge in mental warfare" if you make it so you can't really pass anymore, tbh.

Actually a HUGE edge in mental warfare. That is half the reason for doing it.

1) A rushing QB forces the DC to change their AI
2) All linemen and offensive players can focus on building their players towards a running team
3) WIth a rushing QB you don't know where the ball is going to go. It is the pocket QB that is one dimensional.

2-0.

Domer

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
Originally posted by Malachorn

Originally posted by ashes


but throwing is something that they already know they can do. isnt it easier to have a passing set that you can throw out (after working out all the kinks previously) against a team that you believe will take you up on stopping the run?

its mental warfare, the Kai seem to have an edge on this (with promoting their product, stirring up controversy, getting on front page news as far as big hit response threads in the general forum)

what are they going to do next game? how about in the playoffs, they wouldnt dare put 100% rushing plays in...would they?


And I would argue that bringing in a QB that is an ineffective passer and placing him on a team that even has WRs built for running plays and are VERY nonthreatening in the passing game kinda nullifies your argument there.

...kinda makes Kai incapable of doing anything but running about 100% of the time, tbh.
No "edge in mental warfare" if you make it so you can't really pass anymore, tbh.

Actually a HUGE edge in mental warfare. That is half the reason for doing it.

1) A rushing QB forces the DC to change their AI
2) All linemen and offensive players can focus on building their players towards a running team
3) WIth a rushing QB you don't know where the ball is going to go. It is the pocket QB that is one dimensional.


1) This is no different than any team that is trying to focus on the run
2) This is no different than any team that is trying to focus on the run (with the exception, now, of the QB)
3) This is no different than any team. The only thing here is that the defense ceases to have to worry about the pass now.
Watch the NFL games where they talk about how the D is stacking the box and a failed incomplete deep pass still helps because it "stretches the field." You guys may no longer have the luxury of being able to "stretch the field."

The only possible good arguments that I think you could have is that the running plays for a QB are better than the running plays for the RBs/FBs... or a QB is simply made better to be a runner than a RB/FB. I'd like to see any kind of evidence that suggests the running plays for QBs are so effective that it makes giving up on the pass a good idea. I believe it would be absurd to argue that a QB in this game is capable of being a better runner naturally.

That would be where I'm coming from here, thanks.

^ wat?

Basically:
Congratulations, you've created a situation where the defense can worry about defending less of the field.

Please continue trying to explain why this concession to the defense is worth it? I still haven't seen the upside, tbh.