Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Empire_Strikes_Back
Originally posted by Gerr

I was with them last season, and a few seasons ago as well. Trying to teach seb0280 how to run a good defense.

seb0280 can't read any of the multiple defensive AI guides?

He's too lazy to try and work it out himself?

He needs his own pet gold level co-ord to come in and do it himself?

Embarrassing.

it's about building alliances, not so much about teaching

Originally posted by ManOgwaR
it's about building alliances, not so much about teaching

Thats sounds more like it.

Otherwise you'd have to be pretty dumb to not realise that 'helping' one owner (ie totally install AI and offer critical feedback) handicaps every other newb owner/co-ord that has to play them.

It would be nice if people stopped pretending they were doing this for virtuous reasons and that they are in fact just enjoying ganking lower level players - and making themselves feel pretty damn awesome in the process.

I mean I'm 100% certain that you guys are justified in your comments in your own little mind, we are more worried about getting people up to speed so we have some actual competition coming up, while I agree that the owners owning multiple peewee teams is WHACK, the rest is just plain... nuh uh.

If you want help then ask for it, because plenty of us are willing to help you... if you don't want help then you are stubborn, which I admire, but don't go crying because you don't use a perfectly available opportunity.

If you think we gold teams conspire together sharing strategies you are quite wrong, I don't think anyone besides me and jkid have ever spoken a word about strategy together in the history of my gold league experience, I'm sure there are a couple guys out there whoring themselves around just to find one new piece of info to put them over the top (cough zmj) but most of us aren't that way.

Point is, if you don't boost and lose to a booster it is because you decided to play with a handicapped and got burnt because of it, do I personally feel the entire boost system should be eliminated from peewee? Hell yes, since the 3 levels is way too much and people don't play peewee to make pro-league players anymore... but Bort isn't going to just stop making money on the game because he knows no matter what some of us will boost, because he has made it where you HAVE to boost in Gold league in order to enjoy the full experience (my opinion, not fact).

I know this is supposed to be a "free" game but face it... peewee isn't free and never will be.... so stop crying... pay up and shut up about getting owned by coordinators better than you.

Originally posted by iStoner
I mean I'm 100% certain that you guys are justified in your comments in your own little mind, we are more worried about getting people up to speed so we have some actual competition coming up, while I agree that the owners owning multiple peewee teams is WHACK, the rest is just plain... nuh uh.

If you want help then ask for it, because plenty of us are willing to help you... if you don't want help then you are stubborn, which I admire, but don't go crying because you don't use a perfectly available opportunity.

If you think we gold teams conspire together sharing strategies you are quite wrong, I don't think anyone besides me and jkid have ever spoken a word about strategy together in the history of my gold league experience, I'm sure there are a couple guys out there whoring themselves around just to find one new piece of info to put them over the top (cough zmj) but most of us aren't that way.

Point is, if you don't boost and lose to a booster it is because you decided to play with a handicapped and got burnt because of it, do I personally feel the entire boost system should be eliminated from peewee? Hell yes, since the 3 levels is way too much and people don't play peewee to make pro-league players anymore... but Bort isn't going to just stop making money on the game because he knows no matter what some of us will boost, because he has made it where you HAVE to boost in Gold league in order to enjoy the full experience (my opinion, not fact).

I know this is supposed to be a "free" game but face it... peewee isn't free and never will be.... so stop crying... pay up and shut up about getting owned by coordinators better than you.

Dude, just shut up and quit singling out people, I show no negativity when I talk about you...just lay off.
I coordinate 3 teams now, supply my own guides to all of them, all with information I gathered myself watching other dots.

I haven't been with any gold teams besides PNP, SBWL and 85Bears in a while (not counting Twin Peaks and BNI, but both didn't post build guides and let me do what I want)
I was with maine for 5 seasons...and RK always PMed guides, so I only got my own positions, which actually ended up being my own builds after convincing him into a few things

lolgerr

"WTB sekrut formula for success! 10k flex o.b.o. please send PM"

U have 10 teams in gold, I will continue to single your whoring ass out over and over... gtfo

Originally posted by iStoner
I mean I'm 100% certain that you guys are justified in your comments in your own little mind, we are more worried about getting people up to speed so we have some actual competition coming up, while I agree that the owners owning multiple peewee teams is WHACK, the rest is just plain... nuh uh.

Oh please.

Do you read this stuff back to yourself before you press the post button?

This just confirms everything I have posted earlier - you are going to insist on 'helping' certain owners because they are humble enough to want to share in your greatness - but the others who may not want to actually short circuit the process by asking for everything to be handed to them are out of luck.

So, ultimately, you are telling me that your ideal situation is for every newb owner in all of Pee-Wee to have a Gold league chaparone?

This is presumably so that he doesn't embarrass himself by actually trying to learn on the job?


Originally posted by iStoner
If you want help then ask for it, because plenty of us are willing to help you... if you don't want help then you are stubborn, which I admire, but don't go crying because you don't use a perfectly available opportunity.

I will, as I have done in the past, ask for help on certain specific issues when I need to - what I don't need is a permanently 'on-call' Gold leaguer running half or all of my team.

I, personally, take pride in learning things myself - I look at the current situation as a challenge rarther than something to make me back down.

But you might want to take note of how the majority of people react to being consistently faced with Gold league co-ords in Silver league playoffs.

These people vote with their cash and find something else to do.

Originally posted by iStoner
If you think we gold teams conspire together sharing strategies you are quite wrong, I don't think anyone besides me and jkid have ever spoken a word about strategy together in the history of my gold league experience, I'm sure there are a couple guys out there whoring themselves around just to find one new piece of info to put them over the top (cough zmj) but most of us aren't that way.

I reckon there are more than a few guys whoring themselves about - not just the ones you feel comfortable naming.

Originally posted by iStoner
Point is, if you don't boost and lose to a booster it is because you decided to play with a handicapped and got burnt because of it, do I personally feel the entire boost system should be eliminated from peewee? Hell yes, since the 3 levels is way too much and people don't play peewee to make pro-league players anymore... but Bort isn't going to just stop making money on the game because he knows no matter what some of us will boost, because he has made it where you HAVE to boost in Gold league in order to enjoy the full experience (my opinion, not fact).

I have never made an issue of going No/No - I don't plan to ever boost.

If I meet Silver league competition who do boost and then use that level advantage to beat me then thats fair enough - it happened just this past season against Cascade.

What stinks is Silver league teams that have current Gold Level talent hidden all over the coaching roster.

But according to you, thats our fault for not getting with the program and ensuring that EVERY Silver league team has a Gold Level chaparone to even things up?

Do you realise how insane you sound?

Originally posted by iStoner
I know this is supposed to be a "free" game but face it... peewee isn't free and never will be.... so stop crying... pay up and shut up about getting owned by coordinators better than you.

Again, good job with the deflection and strawman theme - I don't see anyone whinging about what teams choose to boost in Silver.

i'd imagine, with the exception of Gerrs ultra competitive spirit and never-needs-adjusting uber ai, that most gold affiliates could care less what the record of their silver projects is at the end of the season

sounds like casual league is what you guys are looking for if dumbed down opponents are your thing

Originally posted by Nif
i'd imagine, with the exception of Gerrs ultra competitive spirit and never-needs-adjusting uber ai, that most gold affiliates could care less what the record of their silver projects is at the end of the season

sounds like casual league is what you guys are looking for if dumbed down opponents are your thing

That depends on how you define 'dumbed down', I guess.

I should re-iterate (for those that can't process multiple paragraphs) that I, personally, enjoy the challenge of taking on Gold League Co-ords.

I've had a few seasons experience of co-ordinating both sides of the ball at minors level which means i probably have a good headstart over alot of the guys who sign up for PeeWee with limited co-ordinating experience.

I am trying to explain what the problem is to those who wring their hands in anguish when they look at how little fresh talent is entering the Pee Wee system.

No-one can stop Gold league co-ords camping out in the Silver league - no-one can even stop them referring to the experience in a condescending fashion (silver league project, lolsilver etc etc).

It is, however, ridiculous to see these same guys puzzling over why new owners only stay one season.

Its obvious and maybe some of thse guys will disappear to the casual leagues you sarcastically directed them towards - thats one less owner willing to hang about and learn the game instead of being made to feel like they should immediately sign up for a Gold league babysitter.

That is all.

Originally posted by iStoner
U have 10 teams in gold, I will continue to single your whoring ass out over and over... gtfo

I can count only 2...but thats close enough...

Your just butthurt because you can't do anything in gold anymore, fix your 0-8 record against me and then you can talk...gtfo

lolzmj
lolgerr

Originally posted by Empire_Strikes_Back
Originally posted by Nif

i'd imagine, with the exception of Gerrs ultra competitive spirit and never-needs-adjusting uber ai, that most gold affiliates could care less what the record of their silver projects is at the end of the season

sounds like casual league is what you guys are looking for if dumbed down opponents are your thing

That depends on how you define 'dumbed down', I guess.

I should re-iterate (for those that can't process multiple paragraphs) that I, personally, enjoy the challenge of taking on Gold League Co-ords.

I've had a few seasons experience of co-ordinating both sides of the ball at minors level which means i probably have a good headstart over alot of the guys who sign up for PeeWee with limited co-ordinating experience.

I am trying to explain what the problem is to those who wring their hands in anguish when they look at how little fresh talent is entering the Pee Wee system.

No-one can stop Gold league co-ords camping out in the Silver league - no-one can even stop them referring to the experience in a condescending fashion (silver league project, lolsilver etc etc).

It is, however, ridiculous to see these same guys puzzling over why new owners only stay one season.

Its obvious and maybe some of thse guys will disappear to the casual leagues you sarcastically directed them towards - thats one less owner willing to hang about and learn the game instead of being made to feel like they should immediately sign up for a Gold league babysitter.

That is all.

Your overall GLB experience mirrors my own... right down to the pee wee level and I can appreciate the effort you are putting in to get to where you want to be. If my post was as insulting as you make it seem then i apologize. it has nothing to do with the new and/or up and coming owners/coordinators but i just think some people want to point to the coordinating scenarios as why they can't succeed when sometimes its a matter of putting forth some effort to begin with.

I spent half a dozen seasons learning and losing to former gold teams and teams with plenty of gold caliber talent. The demotion process insures there are plenty of teams that can add 'Former Gold League Team' to their resume. There continues to be plenty of gold coordinators that want their own teams that often start and stay in silver. Who can fault them for bringing friends along to help them run the operation?

I'll spare you the condescending details of my own silver team but suffice it so say that you can tell whom is actually trying and what teams thought that just showing up was good enough for a win. I only refer to it as a 'project' because I have no intentions of seriously contending for a trophy. Veteran owners/coordinators hanging around in sparsely populated leagues hoping to score an easy trophy for their home page, however, is nothing new to glb. Its less sinister than some people in this thread would have you believe.

There is no super secret formula to success and gold league affiliates are not flaunting it at the silver level to the detriment of Pee Wee enthusiasts (ie: themselves) . Success at the silver level has jsut as much to do with recruiting/building/ tactics/scouting/ai's /boosting/placement/RNGs etc as any other league and with your experience, you should (and I think, do?) realize that.

thats about 500 words longer than i wanted it to be but i hope you get the point i'm making and avoid taking anything personally.

Originally posted by Empire_Strikes_Back
If I meet Silver league competition who do boost and then use that level advantage to beat me then thats fair enough - it happened just this past season against Cascade.



I thought Middleville was boosted for the playoff game?