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Originally posted by Dave Mr Majors
I was able to see it this time....it looks fine unless that FG output expands open and says run.

LOL, if it did, I would have run the ball a lot more. I am not trying to cheat here. If it's a mistake I made, and it won the game for me, I would gladly back off and asked to be DQ'ed. LordEvil was a GM on my team for part of this season and he knows me well enough to know that I am not out to screw anyone. I am just trying to avoid being screwed myself here on a glitch that I do not believe was my fault. Plus it's not like those illegal rushes helped me, they actually hurt me.

I have a game coming up in a few hours, so I saved that all passing script as-is and I am currently re-working my normal one for the next game. If he wants, I will make LordEvil a GM again and he can look at the script himself and see if he finds any logic errors what would have caused those 4th down scripts to be skipped.

Originally posted by No Fear
Lmao...NOPW is disqualified for not having his AI set up properly! I am a douche bag and deserve to lose!

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=982836

If you look, I had runs on three 4th and short situations. Sort of like the Bears team. The first run resulted in the drive scoring a TD. The two other runs were on the same drive that resulted in no points. But it was a mistake on my part and should result in a DQ.

GG Gulls.

Two things that make my situation different...

First is that the rushes actually hurt me, not helped me. I should have had at least 1 short FG added to my score, and 1-2 more also possible.

Second is that I do not believe my script logic was faulty. My team should have never gone for it on 4th down if you look at my posted 4th down scripts. Thus all I can conclude is I got hit by a scripting bug in the game itself. I would love if someone can find any logic errors in my 4th down scripts here and prove that I did make a mistake.

Honestly for next year, it should be a requirement that you can run in all four quarters, but that you can have up to 20% running plays. If the AI screws you or you try and cut it too close and run too often, you lose.

This tourny is a bit of a coin toss anyway... I think it needs to be rethought for next season.

Originally posted by Gerr
Originally posted by No Fear

Lmao...NOPW is disqualified for not having his AI set up properly! I am a douche bag and deserve to lose!

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=982836

If you look, I had runs on three 4th and short situations. Sort of like the Bears team. The first run resulted in the drive scoring a TD. The two other runs were on the same drive that resulted in no points. But it was a mistake on my part and should result in a DQ.

GG Gulls.

Two things that make my situation different...

First is that the rushes actually hurt me, not helped me. I should have had at least 1 short FG added to my score, and 1-2 more also possible.

Second is that I do not believe my script logic was faulty. My team should have never gone for it on 4th down if you look at my posted 4th down scripts. Thus all I can conclude is I got hit by a scripting bug in the game itself. I would love if someone can find any logic errors in my 4th down scripts here and prove that I did make a mistake.

I found my mistake. My output for 4th and under 3 wasn't changed. I have the input listed, but no percentages were added. Simple over sight on my part which resulted in the AI reverting back to the basic AI which decided it would run. Funny part about it, this was like this for all 4 tournament games last season. Guess I got lucky where I never got in that situation.

sheesh, all I can imagine right now, is the teacher from Charlie Brown. wawa wawawa wa

I say give it to the Bears, I still think he made a mistake in his ai (smart people do make mistakes) but it sounds like he really wants to be in The Air Attack Tourny and I did it last season.

Next season glich or no glich you run when you shouldn't and the other team didn't then your out. Make it so straight foward that you can't disagree a DQ.

Originally posted by Biodome
sheesh, all I can imagine right now, is the teacher from Charlie Brown. wawa wawawa wa

I say give it to the Bears, I still think he made a mistake in his ai (smart people do make mistakes) but it sounds like he really wants to be in The Air Attack Tourny and I did it last season.

Next season glich or no glich you run when you shouldn't and the other team didn't then your out. Make it so straight foward that you can't disagree a DQ.

Agree. Everyone makes mistakes, no matter how experienced you are. I personally dont mind being out of this tournament since I dont like changing the AI around too much (and yes I understand you can save the original AI and load it back up). I feel that even though most likely the runs did hurt the Bears, one can argue that the change in field position (even though it was not much) could have changed the outcome of the game. Next season there should be either a strict no running rule (not too hard to set the AI up to make the runs look like a mistake) or a 20 percent run rule like someone mentioned earlier. That way there is no room to argue. That being said, GG Bears!

Originally posted by smpsmi
Originally posted by Biodome

sheesh, all I can imagine right now, is the teacher from Charlie Brown. wawa wawawa wa

I say give it to the Bears, I still think he made a mistake in his ai (smart people do make mistakes) but it sounds like he really wants to be in The Air Attack Tourny and I did it last season.

Next season glich or no glich you run when you shouldn't and the other team didn't then your out. Make it so straight foward that you can't disagree a DQ.

Agree. Everyone makes mistakes, no matter how experienced you are. I personally dont mind being out of this tournament since I dont like changing the AI around too much (and yes I understand you can save the original AI and load it back up). I feel that even though most likely the runs did hurt the Bears, one can argue that the change in field position (even though it was not much) could have changed the outcome of the game. Next season there should be either a strict no running rule (not too hard to set the AI up to make the runs look like a mistake) or a 20 percent run rule like someone mentioned earlier. That way there is no room to argue. That being said, GG Bears!

Yeah, the thing is that the runs didn't affect the outcome of the Bears or NOPW's wins. I say give them the victories.

Again I cant comment on either game today as I have no access to either game. The basic rule is , If your running play results in a first down, anything beyond that point is removed hence it be a field goal, a TD or a saftey on the next drive for the other team. If the rushing play involved Puts the opposing team in bad field position then the following possession change will also be negated in case they score there. If the rushing play has no effect (Loss of yardage, next to no yardage) then those can be overlooked. I had 1 errant rush in my last game when we were up by a lot of points and it was a 3rd and8 and we ran for 2 yards and punted. Thats ok. I have no where in my AI as it was brand new, to rush the ball but the 4th quarter as they were all over writes quarter by quarter. None of my packages had rushes in them and I was set to 100% pass, yet in the 3rd quarter the sim decided we need to run on 3rd and 8...lol

Pretty much comes down to what effect did it have on the game. Had Insane actually scored it probably make the call a lot easier.

Originally posted by PING72
Yeah, the thing is that the runs didn't affect the outcome of the Bears or NOPW's wins. I say give them the victories.

Again, its hard to say for sure if the runs affected the outcome. For example, one of the Bears runs resulted in a 1st down. Even though they did not score on that drive, the different field position triggered different plays to be called by our AI. Most likely, they would have still stopped those plays since they shut us out the whole game, but there is no way to be sure of that.

I would be the first person to tell LordEvil to DQ my team if my rushing plays lead to the winning score or had a major impact in the game itself. I like to keep things fair. I am a 37 year old married man, so games like this are not my life, I just enjoy them. Thus it would not be anything major to me if I was DQ'ed.

But in this case, my running plays actually hurt me, cost me some possible FG points. Plus the fact that I don't think I made the mistake as I can't find any reason why the sim skipped my 4th down script and went on to the normal rushing ones. Thus I don't believe the rushing plays were in any part due to a mistake I made in the script. Anyone know of a bug that might cause this?

New Orleans advances 23-0

Watching Bears next

Chicago Bears advance as well.
4 times they rushed on 4th down, 1st time they were already on opponents 29 and ran the ball picked up the first down, moved to the 26 yard line where they missed a FG. If anything the moral on TIA should of increased.
Next offense they were on the opponents 12, ran to the 9 where they turned the ball over on downs. 3rd offense, on opponents 20, 3 yard gain where they turned the ball over again on downs.
Last offense they were on the 8 yard line, picked up 2 yards and turned the ball over on downs. IMO it had zero effect on the outcome of the game. None of them put the Asylum in bad field position as they already had that whenever the 4th down offenses came about.

Both teams (NO and Chicago) need to fix your 4th down outputs!

Next season we will have a panel of "judges" It will be an odd number. Each judge will vote on any questionable games. Majority rules. Get your checkbooks ready

There should be an * next to the winners name in the record books! This tournament is now tainted!!