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Originally posted by Asheme

One would hope it'd take more than a set of actions by an isolated individual to cause a sea change in outlook, but, I suppose that's not how things work around here.


Around here? Try life in general. A mistake by a high profile individual ALWAYS has huge repercussions.

Originally posted by justafish2002
Originally posted by purehatred


From what I've seen , I'm not that impressed by most of the alpha testers or the mods. Sorry.

They seemed to use all that experience to find ways to bend as many rules as posssible and then use their position to defend each other to the point where it's impossible to have any kind of legitimate discussion.



This statement says it all. Because we were invited and played the game longer, we can't discredit your solution or argue against your view using the rules.



If I was a player on the team and I knew the owner was leaving, I'd asked to be released before he sold the team.

Even though most owners are not that bad, I wouldn't want to take my chances and wind up with a stinker.

LOL.... you guys crack me up.

heres an example.
No baby i dotn hit girls. no baby i dont cheat. bo baby im a good guy and i do everything right. girl gets suckers, cheated on, she supports the guy and he uses her, but he said he wouldnt.

Team looking for players!!!
Im the best owner, i log-on daily, do tactics, study game film, let the team help out in suggestions on what the team should do.. I build the best teams. justafish2002 just got wooed and singed with the guy. justafish2002 finds out that the owner is a dipshit loser who doesnt do what he said. man justafish2002 should have stayed with that other team instead of being cut.

dude, people can tell you all the lollipop land stories on how great they are, but either they are or arent. you only find out by being there.

stop the bullshit, close the loophole for gutting teams and lets start playing fair.

Originally posted by purehatred
I can only speak for myself, but I know I began to think that either the mods didn't understand what some of the rules meant or were more interested in being loyal to their friends than actually moderating the game.

I would guess I'm not the only one.

It's not fair to the rest of you all, but perception isn't "fair" and there were several things that could've bene done to change the perception when those instances occurred.

Was it all the Alpha Testers? Was it all the Mods? I know the answer to both is "no."

Does it maybe have something to do with the fact that most people who were playing with/for the accused and know him best are those who have been around the longest? It's not a conspiracy, it's not a matter of mods/alpha testers only sticking together, as Asheme said, the vast majority of alpha testers (and I'll vouch for most mods) try to be helpful when possible.

That said, on the original topic, I've more or less stayed out of these things because I have 2 choices: stick up for the owner who dropped his team and left (which gets me labeled as the elitist Alpha Tester/Mod who thinks only his people deserve to be in US Pro and screw everyone else) or stand up and scream how horrible it is that teams are being gutted (which then causes me to get lumped in with yet another group: which then causes me to get lumped in with yet another group: the supposed elitist owners who don't give a crap about players). It's a lose/lose situation.

Originally posted by purehatred

Around here? Try life in general. A mistake by a high profile individual ALWAYS has huge repercussions.

Well, I try not to generalize too much.

And the reason I chose the limiter "around here" was due to the fact GLB is, clearly, a much smaller community than the general public, thus one would hope (expect) those who frequent the forums often would have enough experiences built up interacting with mods/alpha testers that an isolated (set of) event(s) wouldn't lead to the pitchforks being brought out, and that a semi-rational discussion could take place, rather than finger-pointing, widespread condemnations and knee-jerk reactions.

Foolish to hope, I suppose.

Originally posted by Jed


Was it all the Alpha Testers? Was it all the Mods? I know the answer to both is "no."

Does it maybe have something to do with the fact that most people who were playing with/for the accused and know him best are those who have been around the longest? It's not a conspiracy, it's not a matter of mods/alpha testers only sticking together, as Asheme said, the vast majority of alpha testers (and I'll vouch for most mods) try to be helpful when possible.

Again....true. But like I said, high-profile mistakes always create more of an effect than the actual incident probably dictates.

Do most people even remember who that Sooneer kid was? And he got the farming controversy rolling.

Originally posted by
That said, on the original topic, I've more or less stayed out of these things because I have 2 choices: stick up for the owner who dropped his team and left (which gets me labeled as the elitist Alpha Tester/Mod who thinks only his people deserve to be in US Pro and screw everyone else) or stand up and scream how horrible it is that teams are being gutted (which then causes me to get lumped in with yet another group: which then causes me to get lumped in with yet another group: the supposed elitist owners who don't give a crap about players). It's a lose/lose situation.

Aw, now there's a problem.

Who cares why the owner wants to drop his team? Why do you have to defend them? It doesn't make a difference.

If an owner leaves and want to take his player(s), fine. I can't honestly argue against that. But all the other releases causes a problem in the league and you end up upsetting far more players than those few who want no part of a new owner.

If the game addresses the issue of how to stop owners from making releases en masse, and institutes the transitional contract rule when a team is sold, I personally think we wouldn't have these arguments.

Originally posted by Asheme

And the reason I chose the limiter "around here" was due to the fact GLB is, clearly, a much smaller community than the general public, thus one would hope (expect) those who frequent the forums often would have enough experiences built up interacting with mods/alpha testers that an isolated (set of) event(s) wouldn't lead to the pitchforks being brought out, and that a semi-rational discussion could take place, rather than finger-pointing, widespread condemnations and knee-jerk reactions.

Foolish to hope, I suppose.

HAVE YOU SEEN THE FREE FOR ALL FORUM???

You're talking about a great deal of hope.

Originally posted by purehatred


HAVE YOU SEEN THE FREE FOR ALL FORUM???



Touché.

Sometimes I forget this is the internet

I don't understand why it's such a big deal that players might get "stuck" with an owner they don't know. The VAST majority of users who sign up here have no choice but to join a team owned by someone they don't know. That's why they keep getting advised to sign short contracts at first.

Originally posted by Jed
Originally posted by purehatred

I can only speak for myself, but I know I began to think that either the mods didn't understand what some of the rules meant or were more interested in being loyal to their friends than actually moderating the game.

I would guess I'm not the only one.

It's not fair to the rest of you all, but perception isn't "fair" and there were several things that could've bene done to change the perception when those instances occurred.

Was it all the Alpha Testers? Was it all the Mods? I know the answer to both is "no."

Does it maybe have something to do with the fact that most people who were playing with/for the accused and know him best are those who have been around the longest? It's not a conspiracy, it's not a matter of mods/alpha testers only sticking together, as Asheme said, the vast majority of alpha testers (and I'll vouch for most mods) try to be helpful when possible.

That said, on the original topic, I've more or less stayed out of these things because I have 2 choices: stick up for the owner who dropped his team and left (which gets me labeled as the elitist Alpha Tester/Mod who thinks only his people deserve to be in US Pro and screw everyone else) or stand up and scream how horrible it is that teams are being gutted (which then causes me to get lumped in with yet another group: which then causes me to get lumped in with yet another group: the supposed elitist owners who don't give a crap about players). It's a lose/lose situation.



Originally posted by Asheme
Originally posted by purehatred


Around here? Try life in general. A mistake by a high profile individual ALWAYS has huge repercussions.

Well, I try not to generalize too much.

And the reason I chose the limiter "around here" was due to the fact GLB is, clearly, a much smaller community than the general public, thus one would hope (expect) those who frequent the forums often would have enough experiences built up interacting with mods/alpha testers that an isolated (set of) event(s) wouldn't lead to the pitchforks being brought out, and that a semi-rational discussion could take place, rather than finger-pointing, widespread condemnations and knee-jerk reactions.

Foolish to hope, I suppose.

words words words..... and more words....

no solutions....

dont blaim me blaim the other guy..... still no solutions...

limit the # of human players cut per day by each team and the loophole to gutting is closed.

If you have a better idea, state em. otherwise shut up with the useless words of im a beta yoru the bad guy, or im a alpha and i not the bad guy... or im a mod and i cant pick a side.

right/wrong. who cares

fix the future now. be useful. come up with an idea that helps instead of the bullshit girly fighting.

I really like the idea someone had earlier to automatically change everyones contract to expire at the end of the season. That way competitive balance isn't really damaged and the players left on the team only have a few weeks at most to play it out. If this was implemented with a limit on players who could be cut in one day and roster minimums, I think it would help. It would be very difficult in this case for an owner to drastically alter a roster before he takes off, and still give players left behind the flexibility to not get stuck with a bad owner.

Originally posted by Whatsdafus

words words words..... and more words....

no solutions....


What?! Words?? No solutions?! In an exchange of words between me and purehatred having nothing to do with solutions?

Shocking!!!

Get over thine self, chief. Wasn't talking to you.

Here Dafus,

Originally posted by McGrai37
I really like the idea someone had earlier to automatically change everyones contract to expire at the end of the season. That way competitive balance isn't really damaged and the players left on the team only have a few weeks at most to play it out. If this was implemented with a limit on players who could be cut in one day and roster minimums, I think it would help. It would be very difficult in this case for an owner to drastically alter a roster before he takes off, and still give players left behind the flexibility to not get stuck with a bad owner.

..McGrai restates rather well what other people have suggested. This mainintains competitive balance, gives owners their freedom to give up their team, and allows players flexibility once their team is sold.

Originally posted by FairForever
Originally posted by purehatred

Originally posted by FairForever



I see what it is, but I also see the alternative as much worse. Players being forced to play with owners they don't know, etc.

How would you feel if monkey sold the team without telling you, another guy bought it, held your players hostage, and removed you from GM?

It's not an either/or issue.

There has been one EXCELLENT alternative suggested (making all contracts default so that they end after the last game of that season) and if the 40 man lroter limit is instituted then even that might not be necessary.

The problem in discussing this with you is you don't ever bother to take into account any opinion but your own and the mods that you spend all your time defending.

Because maybe we have more experience with this? It's happened in the past, a disgruntled or burned-out owner leaves the team, another takes over, and the team is screwed. The reason we were alpha testers is that we played other games. Situations such as these have come up in the past before. Maybe, just maybe, you fail to realize to actual repercussions of not releasing players before relinquishing ownership. The fact is, it destroys enjoyment of the game for those on the team and it hurts the bottom line for the makers of the game. No one benefits from such a system.

Your suggestions do not alleviate the problem that some people may have to wait. What if it's a multi-season deal? I do agree with the contracts ending at end of season, but not because of this "problem". Because there isn't one.



As an Alpha tester I have pretty much stayed out of this debate except for one post but I would like to address a few things in this posy and a few others.

First of all-A lot of us were alpha testers because we were in the right place at the right time not because we know so much and are the greatest gamers the internet has ever seen.That is one reason so many people do get mad at alpha's-An extreme elitist attitude in some of them to really turn people off,I just wish those who exhibit this would just stop trying to justify everything bad that happens in this game.


I think the suggestion of if you decide to sell your team in mid season of all contracts are shortened to end of season and frozen a great one-this will really help out a lot.Thousand of people sign contracts every day with owners not knowing one thing about them.It will not really hurt you to finish the season and then leave if you still so desire.Yes it may be bad if a crappy owner comes in but most likely it will be only for a couple weeks at most.I still think this is more fair then having a bunch of released players all signing on a new team to stack it-That sucks for an entire league-just not one team.

This habit of all these teams being emptied out is the biggest challenge that GLB faces and if allowed to continue unchecked will destroy this game faster then anything else.

A last point for Alpha's-A lot of us came from that other game but just because this is standard practice there does not mean it is ok and should be fine here.

Originally posted by Lava124



First of all-A lot of us were alpha testers because we were in the right place at the right time not because we know so much and are the greatest gamers the internet has ever seen





Speak for yourself

Originally posted by bolstersam
Originally posted by Lava124




First of all-A lot of us were alpha testers because we were in the right place at the right time not because we know so much and are the greatest gamers the internet has ever seen





Speak for yourself

I believe he did, and in the process renewed my faith somewhat that not all Alpha testers have an "extreme elitist attitude (...) to really turn people off".