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Originally posted by turnerhero
Originally posted by Jose Bagg

The punishment isn't even a factor in my decision.

I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this one...if it wasn't against the law and you'd have to serve some jail time at the least, it'd probably also not be considered morally 'wrong' at that moment, and you'd probably take whatever the hell you wanted.

You're getting into the philosophy of theft here, and as I enjoy philosophy, I'd gladly discuss it with you, but I think you'll find that you'd run face first into human nature and lose the debate...

You don't know me and you clearly don't have the same ideas as I do about hurting other people. That is a topic for another thread. I can tell you for certain that I don't steal because it is wrong, not because of punishment.

Now speeding is a different story. I drive over the speed limit because I don't think speed limits really matter. But I slow down when I see a cop because I dont' want a ticket. I guess I have some growing up to do about speed limits. I will get around to it when I am 60. I am telling you the truth though, you have nothing to fear from me when it comes to stealing.

Originally posted by turnerhero
Well, nothing can be proven, that's why it's called philosophy...you think about things you don't understand and have no real truth about, to attempt to come to some kind of conclusion about whatever it may be...

please don't impugn disciplines you obviously know nothing about.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by turnerhero

Well, nothing can be proven, that's why it's called philosophy...you think about things you don't understand and have no real truth about, to attempt to come to some kind of conclusion about whatever it may be...

please don't impugn disciplines you obviously know nothing about.

And you're the obvious expert, eh? Educate me, guru.

Back on topic before the flaming gets this thing locked.

Please.

Originally posted by Azure Dreams

Also: Yes, I'm in agreement with your suggestion here. However-- and this is true of me always-- i don't pick a side. I say what I think is correct. And while I agree with your suggestion that doesn't mean I will back anything you say here.



Sorry, i didnt mean to insinuate that you joined my 'side' in this little tiff thats going on here. I did merely intend to say that you agreed with me. I would never expect anyone to blindly back me.

I just read this entire thread...can I have 15 minutes back, please?

Originally posted by turnerhero
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by turnerhero
Well, nothing can be proven, that's why it's called philosophy...you think about things you don't understand and have no real truth about, to attempt to come to some kind of conclusion about whatever it may be...
please don't impugn disciplines you obviously know nothing about.
And you're the obvious expert, eh? Educate me, guru.

read all of http://plato.stanford.edu/contents.html and then we can PM <-- a very serious/hopeful offer

[edited to add a more precise link]

Originally posted by Catullus 16
frankly, i see a lot of people in here that don't know what an analogy technically is.

also... i think those supporting the current policy are going to be hard-pressed promoting any logic beyond "because i said so". but similarly, those against the current policy are going to be hard-pressed to offer anything more than their version of fair play... which then gets back to why certain people were perma-banned, which is what this whole discussion is really about, right?

i hate proxy arguments.

Actually, I'll disagree.

1: I've already presented the logic about a directly correlative punishment with the crime. Whether you think more is fair or not there's something to be said for a punishment that is fitting.

2: Also: There is no good business sense to impose additional punishments on people beyond what benefits the community. If you feel that someone has shown an inability to post in the manner you find appropriate on the public forums, you prevent them from doing so, so that the integrity of the forum rules can be upheld better and other users do not have to deal with whatever issue the ban-ee presented.

3: However, the same rules do not apply to private forums. Private forum owners are allowed to, essentially, set their own rules. Why, then, should they not also be able to have someone in their forum who has not done anything they feel worth preventing them from participation in this forum? They can no longer harm the public, so the ban is working.

4: As I, again, already noted, forum bans are not always fair or warranted and are subject to potential for extreme bias. When it's questionable whether someone even broke a rule in the first place, why should they be prevented from something that isn't harmful?

5: Consistency. You are allowed to post in team forums still. Why not private forums as well.

6: Along those lines, the reason you are allowed to post in team forums is so that your bad behavior on public forums doesn't prevent you and your team from properly using your dot on the field. If they wanted that impeded, they would have banned you from GLB, not just the forums. However, prevention from participation in private forums excludes any sort of GM forums for teams and whatnot, thus accomplishing the same thing.

Take your pick but I'd say that's a tad more than "ITS ONLY FAIR!"

Originally posted by WearyWarrior
Originally posted by Azure Dreams


Also: Yes, I'm in agreement with your suggestion here. However-- and this is true of me always-- i don't pick a side. I say what I think is correct. And while I agree with your suggestion that doesn't mean I will back anything you say here.



Sorry, i didnt mean to insinuate that you joined my 'side' in this little tiff thats going on here. I did merely intend to say that you agreed with me. I would never expect anyone to blindly back me.

Was not a commentary merely on you but people in general. And many people do choose a side and then back that side almost without wavering. Both in arguments here and everywhere else. Look at the political system in america and the majority of the debate that stems from it.

I choose to side with myself.

Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by turnerhero

Originally posted by Catullus 16

Originally posted by turnerhero

Well, nothing can be proven, that's why it's called philosophy...you think about things you don't understand and have no real truth about, to attempt to come to some kind of conclusion about whatever it may be...
please don't impugn disciplines you obviously know nothing about.
And you're the obvious expert, eh? Educate me, guru.

read all of http://plato.stanford.edu/contents.html and then we can PM <-- a very serious/hopeful offer

[edited to add a more precise link]

I didn't see Pierre Grimes on the list of reads...I may take you up on reading these if time permits sometime...as it stands, trying to work and raise a daughter on my own doesn't let me do whatever I want anymore until she goes to sleep haha

I am choosing to side with my wife in the bed. I have work in the morning. Good night one and all, keep this thread bumped, I want to see some Bortage in it.

I'd like cut-and-dry categories of punishment and their descriptions to be included in both the site and forum rules.

Originally posted by Jose Bagg
I am choosing to side with my wife in the bed. I have work in the morning. Good night one and all, keep this thread bumped, I want to see some Bortage in it.

Good idea Wife over game

Originally posted by turnerhero
Originally posted by Catullus 16

Originally posted by turnerhero


Originally posted by Catullus 16


Originally posted by turnerhero


Well, nothing can be proven, that's why it's called philosophy...you think about things you don't understand and have no real truth about, to attempt to come to some kind of conclusion about whatever it may be...
please don't impugn disciplines you obviously know nothing about.
And you're the obvious expert, eh? Educate me, guru.

read all of http://plato.stanford.edu/contents.html and then we can PM <-- a very serious/hopeful offer

[edited to add a more precise link]

I didn't see Pierre Grimes on the list of reads...I may take you up on reading these if time permits sometime...as it stands, trying to work and raise a daughter on my own doesn't let me do whatever I want anymore until she goes to sleep haha

5:00 bed time imo.

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