Originally posted by Hagalaz
"Now go away, or we shall taunt you a second time!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY&t=01m14s
"Now go away, or we shall taunt you a second time!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY&t=01m14s
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Originally posted by Sugar Kapaa
wait...we are comparing a cLB v bLB?
Yeah, but that was just me trying to show him how pathetic he was being... Not that I expected success!
wait...we are comparing a cLB v bLB?
Yeah, but that was just me trying to show him how pathetic he was being... Not that I expected success!
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Originally posted by Hagalaz
the difference would be 160 strength (105 + 55) versus 163 strength (105 + 58). At that point, this is a 1,3% increase
Righto, just crunching some numbers here.
To bridge that 3 point gap between 4AEQ vs 3AEQ you would have to increase the attribute from 105 to 108 to get to 163 (i.e. 108+55=163)
At 105 you are at the 23rd cap which means it will cost you 23SPs to go up each point. That simply means that those 3 Equipment points are actually worth 23x3=69 SPs.
Personally I believe that some positions require more rounded builds (i.e Safeties, LBs) in which case you get more value by going 3AEQ but some require more extreme 4AEQ builds (i.e. linemen, speed WRs)
the difference would be 160 strength (105 + 55) versus 163 strength (105 + 58). At that point, this is a 1,3% increase
Righto, just crunching some numbers here.
To bridge that 3 point gap between 4AEQ vs 3AEQ you would have to increase the attribute from 105 to 108 to get to 163 (i.e. 108+55=163)
At 105 you are at the 23rd cap which means it will cost you 23SPs to go up each point. That simply means that those 3 Equipment points are actually worth 23x3=69 SPs.
Personally I believe that some positions require more rounded builds (i.e Safeties, LBs) in which case you get more value by going 3AEQ but some require more extreme 4AEQ builds (i.e. linemen, speed WRs)
Edited by Serg2108 on Feb 12, 2013 18:43:21
Originally posted by Sugar Kapaa
wait...we are comparing a cLB v bLB?
I saw that as well and wondered how the comparison was relevant. both players are used in very different roles so the blitzing LBer should get more stats where Mwoods Coverage LBer is just that a coverage guy that doesn't blitz and shouldn't get alot of stats. I think Hag just hurt his argument more than he helped it.
seriously Hag if you are going to make a comparison and try to prove your point do so by a relevant comparison. you know compare apple to apple not a apple to a orange.
wait...we are comparing a cLB v bLB?
I saw that as well and wondered how the comparison was relevant. both players are used in very different roles so the blitzing LBer should get more stats where Mwoods Coverage LBer is just that a coverage guy that doesn't blitz and shouldn't get alot of stats. I think Hag just hurt his argument more than he helped it.
seriously Hag if you are going to make a comparison and try to prove your point do so by a relevant comparison. you know compare apple to apple not a apple to a orange.
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As I know, UFC have all player with 3 AEQ and they won WL title at S31
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=7406
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=7406
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Originally posted by Sugar Kapaa
wait...we are comparing a cLB v bLB?
Beat me too it...LOL, all that posting was completely irrelevent. That was pretty funny.
Hag, again, you are so wrong, and your post was so out of context. You proved nothing but your lack of ability to community in the human world. I love you guys that can't have a conversation without resorting to profanities
How many WL teams are you on? How many do you coordinate for? How many Gold League Trophies do your players have? You my friend are irrelevant to the success of anyone in this game!
wait...we are comparing a cLB v bLB?
Beat me too it...LOL, all that posting was completely irrelevent. That was pretty funny.
Hag, again, you are so wrong, and your post was so out of context. You proved nothing but your lack of ability to community in the human world. I love you guys that can't have a conversation without resorting to profanities
How many WL teams are you on? How many do you coordinate for? How many Gold League Trophies do your players have? You my friend are irrelevant to the success of anyone in this game!
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Originally posted by hatchman
I saw that as well and wondered how the comparison was relevant. both players are used in very different roles so the blitzing LBer should get more stats where Mwoods Coverage LBer is just that a coverage guy that doesn't blitz and shouldn't get alot of stats. I think Hag just hurt his argument more than he helped it.
seriously Hag if you are going to make a comparison and try to prove your point do so by a relevant comparison. you know compare apple to apple not a apple to a orange.
We could compare DT's since he seems to have one..mine is old now and dropped to Regional Pro, but played WL last season...so would be happy to compare DT stats even though mine played against much higher competition.
They are even both Blitzing DT's...but I'm guessing he looked there first and saw the comparison numbers so decided to try and make the LB comparison work...care to compare? My guess is you wont...
I saw that as well and wondered how the comparison was relevant. both players are used in very different roles so the blitzing LBer should get more stats where Mwoods Coverage LBer is just that a coverage guy that doesn't blitz and shouldn't get alot of stats. I think Hag just hurt his argument more than he helped it.
seriously Hag if you are going to make a comparison and try to prove your point do so by a relevant comparison. you know compare apple to apple not a apple to a orange.
We could compare DT's since he seems to have one..mine is old now and dropped to Regional Pro, but played WL last season...so would be happy to compare DT stats even though mine played against much higher competition.
They are even both Blitzing DT's...but I'm guessing he looked there first and saw the comparison numbers so decided to try and make the LB comparison work...care to compare? My guess is you wont...
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I saw Yonatan last season as I had a player there too, and he was progressing as an excellent build, ahead of my hb.
But I'm not sure if the one less AEQ won't hurt him in gthe long term, I will be watching his career with interest tbh.
But I think Sergs numbers are relevant because for alot of positions the extra 3 points in speed, or strength or whatever is worth alot.... more than the extra points in secondaries imo.
You've made me think about other positions tho.
Regarding your comparison; well thats been covered. bLB and cLB have totally different roles.
Personally, I'm mainly hoping mwoods is right because I have another team where everyone hit day 280 a few days ago with 95% of them with 4 aeq and I'd like to think they are pretty good!
I saw Yonatan last season as I had a player there too, and he was progressing as an excellent build, ahead of my hb.
But I'm not sure if the one less AEQ won't hurt him in gthe long term, I will be watching his career with interest tbh.
But I think Sergs numbers are relevant because for alot of positions the extra 3 points in speed, or strength or whatever is worth alot.... more than the extra points in secondaries imo.
You've made me think about other positions tho.
Regarding your comparison; well thats been covered. bLB and cLB have totally different roles.
Personally, I'm mainly hoping mwoods is right because I have another team where everyone hit day 280 a few days ago with 95% of them with 4 aeq and I'd like to think they are pretty good!
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Originally posted by mwoods07
We could compare DT's since he seems to have one..mine is old now and dropped to Regional Pro, but played WL last season...so would be happy to compare DT stats even though mine played against much higher competition.
They are even both Blitzing DT's...but I'm guessing he looked there first and saw the comparison numbers so decided to try and make the LB comparison work...care to compare? My guess is you wont...
Productivity is a flawed way to compare dots, regardless of what dots are used for comparison. Too much of productivity is a result of a combination of the co-ordinator, the team and the opposition.
The only real way to compare is for the both of you to provide an example of the 'optimum build' that is achieveable for 3AEQ vs 4AEQ and get a consensus about which player people would prefer. The builds would need to be identical (or at least very similarly built) up until the point where the 4AEQ build stopped multi training to start saving BT's
We could compare DT's since he seems to have one..mine is old now and dropped to Regional Pro, but played WL last season...so would be happy to compare DT stats even though mine played against much higher competition.
They are even both Blitzing DT's...but I'm guessing he looked there first and saw the comparison numbers so decided to try and make the LB comparison work...care to compare? My guess is you wont...
Productivity is a flawed way to compare dots, regardless of what dots are used for comparison. Too much of productivity is a result of a combination of the co-ordinator, the team and the opposition.
The only real way to compare is for the both of you to provide an example of the 'optimum build' that is achieveable for 3AEQ vs 4AEQ and get a consensus about which player people would prefer. The builds would need to be identical (or at least very similarly built) up until the point where the 4AEQ build stopped multi training to start saving BT's
to be fair, he was just trying to be a smart ass in comparing the different LBers, admitting himself that his longwinded point was irrelevant.
He did forget to factor in the SP value of the extra 3 to the primary though, as serg pointed out above.
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Originally posted by Hagalaz
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Yeah well learn to read. What I said was that T2's method was flawed. And it was. And it is. Period.
No. It really wasn't. Exclamation point. You came in assuming it was a ranking thread when it wasn't and lost your mind. What was that you said about assuming?? lulz. You never stopped to think that maybe the words that were written were by a person who had no knowledge of the player level on the team when that playoff game occurred. Players could have been cut/added, and at the time, it was a mixed roster. That could have been a team full of level 79s who all retired, and the young dots were replacements. All you could do was make assumptions about things that I could not have possibly known and then screamed like a child that you're wrong, I'm right why can't I turn my caps button off OMGZ?!!!! The one thing I could see at a glance was a team lost to a team no one has heard of, in Regional Pro #30. My own completely level 73 team had just won gold in Reg Elite #2 with almost zero gameplanning. Perspective man, get some.
He did forget to factor in the SP value of the extra 3 to the primary though, as serg pointed out above.
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Originally posted by Hagalaz
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Yeah well learn to read. What I said was that T2's method was flawed. And it was. And it is. Period.
No. It really wasn't. Exclamation point. You came in assuming it was a ranking thread when it wasn't and lost your mind. What was that you said about assuming?? lulz. You never stopped to think that maybe the words that were written were by a person who had no knowledge of the player level on the team when that playoff game occurred. Players could have been cut/added, and at the time, it was a mixed roster. That could have been a team full of level 79s who all retired, and the young dots were replacements. All you could do was make assumptions about things that I could not have possibly known and then screamed like a child that you're wrong, I'm right why can't I turn my caps button off OMGZ?!!!! The one thing I could see at a glance was a team lost to a team no one has heard of, in Regional Pro #30. My own completely level 73 team had just won gold in Reg Elite #2 with almost zero gameplanning. Perspective man, get some.
Edited by T2 on Feb 12, 2013 21:35:44
Edited by T2 on Feb 12, 2013 21:34:38
Hatchman leaves the forum goes and gets popcorn and something to drink. He comes back with a anticipation of hagalaz erupting with yet another 2 year old temper tantrum that will eventually become known as the end of hagalaz.
R.I.P Hagalaz your tantrums will be sorely missed
R.I.P Hagalaz your tantrums will be sorely missed
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Originally posted by mwoods07
Beat me too it...LOL, all that posting was completely irrelevent. That was pretty funny.
Hag, again, you are so wrong, and your post was so out of context. You proved nothing but your lack of ability to community in the human world. I love you guys that can't have a conversation without resorting to profanities
How many WL teams are you on? How many do you coordinate for? How many Gold League Trophies do your players have? You my friend are irrelevant to the success of anyone in this game!
Oh I can communicate without profanities. I just don't respect you. You are scum, and you should not be alive in order for the world to be a better place. I treat everyone that shows they deserve it with the utmost respect. You, however, don't deserve it.
My post was out of context, and yet you think WL means anything, coordination means anything and gold trophies means anything. RIGHT. BECAUSE THOSE SURE MEAN ANYTHING IN A MATHS-DRIVEN GAME LIKE GLB. CLEARLY. Also, as I've said before, I do not coordinate, and I refuse any and every lolGM offer. My fun comes from building players.
Anyway, the numbers are here. Mwoods07, unless you can come up with something, you've just been proven wrong. Thank you, come again.
Originally posted by T2
No. It really wasn't. Exclamation point. You came in assuming it was a ranking thread when it wasn't and lost your mind. What was that you said about assuming?? lulz. You never stopped to think that maybe the words that were written were by a person who had no knowledge of the player level on the team when that playoff game occurred. Players could have been cut/added, and at the time, it was a mixed roster. That could have been a team full of level 79s who all retired, and the young dots were replacements. All you could do was make assumptions about things that I could not have possibly known and then screamed like a child that you're wrong, I'm right why can't I turn my caps button off OMGZ?!!!! The one thing I could see at a glance was a team lost to a team no one has heard of, in Regional Pro #30. My own completely level 73 team had just won gold in Reg Elite #2 with almost zero gameplanning. Perspective man, get some.
T2, remember my first post in the thread? I'll go get ^_^
Originally posted by Hagalaz
T2, I assume you did not take level into account on your batch of analysis. Am I correct?
Looks familiar? You then answered saying that I was correct. Care to explain where I assume this was a ranking thread? The BEGINNING of my point was that you might not have looked at the level. And as we spoke VIA PM WHICH I HAVE NO PROBLEMS POSTING HERE AND BEING BANNED AGAIN, you SAW what I meant. Shall I bring out your hypocrisy as well?
Where's the perspective in you acting defensive when told you fucked up? Yeah, how adult and mature. How worthy and deserving of respect! T2, as a moderator, YOU SHOULD DO BETTER. It is your obligation as the face of the forums, not to make a 100% precise post, not to investigate into any team, but to, when told about the level, say "I'm sorry, my conclusion was unsubstantiated, you might be right!" and move on. PERIOD.
You should be ashamed!
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And furthermore, can anyone explain to me what is the scientific and rational justification behind using "success" as a measure of what is best? That makes no sense. Congratulations, something works. What can you deduce from it? Nothing. You don't know if it is the best way to do it, if it is the worst way to do it, if it is average, below average, above average, nothing. All you saw is that it worked. How can you draw anything else from it? Unless you calculate things, test things, simulate things and compare it with opposite ways of building, you don't know anything.
Maintaining the status quo only ensures that no one will ever improve. That is not good for you or anyone. When you use a method, but you don't know WHY you use that method, something is wrong.
Beat me too it...LOL, all that posting was completely irrelevent. That was pretty funny.
Hag, again, you are so wrong, and your post was so out of context. You proved nothing but your lack of ability to community in the human world. I love you guys that can't have a conversation without resorting to profanities
How many WL teams are you on? How many do you coordinate for? How many Gold League Trophies do your players have? You my friend are irrelevant to the success of anyone in this game!
Oh I can communicate without profanities. I just don't respect you. You are scum, and you should not be alive in order for the world to be a better place. I treat everyone that shows they deserve it with the utmost respect. You, however, don't deserve it.
My post was out of context, and yet you think WL means anything, coordination means anything and gold trophies means anything. RIGHT. BECAUSE THOSE SURE MEAN ANYTHING IN A MATHS-DRIVEN GAME LIKE GLB. CLEARLY. Also, as I've said before, I do not coordinate, and I refuse any and every lolGM offer. My fun comes from building players.
Anyway, the numbers are here. Mwoods07, unless you can come up with something, you've just been proven wrong. Thank you, come again.
Originally posted by T2
No. It really wasn't. Exclamation point. You came in assuming it was a ranking thread when it wasn't and lost your mind. What was that you said about assuming?? lulz. You never stopped to think that maybe the words that were written were by a person who had no knowledge of the player level on the team when that playoff game occurred. Players could have been cut/added, and at the time, it was a mixed roster. That could have been a team full of level 79s who all retired, and the young dots were replacements. All you could do was make assumptions about things that I could not have possibly known and then screamed like a child that you're wrong, I'm right why can't I turn my caps button off OMGZ?!!!! The one thing I could see at a glance was a team lost to a team no one has heard of, in Regional Pro #30. My own completely level 73 team had just won gold in Reg Elite #2 with almost zero gameplanning. Perspective man, get some.
T2, remember my first post in the thread? I'll go get ^_^
Originally posted by Hagalaz
T2, I assume you did not take level into account on your batch of analysis. Am I correct?
Looks familiar? You then answered saying that I was correct. Care to explain where I assume this was a ranking thread? The BEGINNING of my point was that you might not have looked at the level. And as we spoke VIA PM WHICH I HAVE NO PROBLEMS POSTING HERE AND BEING BANNED AGAIN, you SAW what I meant. Shall I bring out your hypocrisy as well?
Where's the perspective in you acting defensive when told you fucked up? Yeah, how adult and mature. How worthy and deserving of respect! T2, as a moderator, YOU SHOULD DO BETTER. It is your obligation as the face of the forums, not to make a 100% precise post, not to investigate into any team, but to, when told about the level, say "I'm sorry, my conclusion was unsubstantiated, you might be right!" and move on. PERIOD.
You should be ashamed!
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And furthermore, can anyone explain to me what is the scientific and rational justification behind using "success" as a measure of what is best? That makes no sense. Congratulations, something works. What can you deduce from it? Nothing. You don't know if it is the best way to do it, if it is the worst way to do it, if it is average, below average, above average, nothing. All you saw is that it worked. How can you draw anything else from it? Unless you calculate things, test things, simulate things and compare it with opposite ways of building, you don't know anything.
Maintaining the status quo only ensures that no one will ever improve. That is not good for you or anyone. When you use a method, but you don't know WHY you use that method, something is wrong.
Edited by Hagalaz on Feb 13, 2013 03:43:45
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Originally posted by Sugar Kapaa
I want proof with a HB build.
Crap, I seem to have missed this, glad it was brought to my attention. Is this still valid? Do you still want a comparison between 3 AEQ and 4 AEQ HB? Elusive or power? What spread of SAs do you want?
I want proof with a HB build.
Crap, I seem to have missed this, glad it was brought to my attention. Is this still valid? Do you still want a comparison between 3 AEQ and 4 AEQ HB? Elusive or power? What spread of SAs do you want?
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The ultimate proof of respect that you can give someone...is to tell them you have no respect for them. Thank you very much...
Argument has become mute, I think anyone that is anyone in this game can see you are just "one of those people". Never wrong, no matter what. Your comments are just too funny. I especially liked the one where you say "success" in a math based GAME is useless. What else are you going to use? Look how "good" (in my own opinion) my dot looks? He can't perform, but he looks damn good in my eyes. Yes, your definition of a good build needs to be passed on to more people so DS can keep winning championships (that's how most people determine success in GLB)!!! Because unlike you, we actually enjoy winning championships, not just building a dot in a way we like and then trying to make everyone believe it is superior!
GG Hag, I believe your credibility has been iron out and this conversation is done in my eyes.
Argument has become mute, I think anyone that is anyone in this game can see you are just "one of those people". Never wrong, no matter what. Your comments are just too funny. I especially liked the one where you say "success" in a math based GAME is useless. What else are you going to use? Look how "good" (in my own opinion) my dot looks? He can't perform, but he looks damn good in my eyes. Yes, your definition of a good build needs to be passed on to more people so DS can keep winning championships (that's how most people determine success in GLB)!!! Because unlike you, we actually enjoy winning championships, not just building a dot in a way we like and then trying to make everyone believe it is superior!
GG Hag, I believe your credibility has been iron out and this conversation is done in my eyes.
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