Warrior General Games

Originally posted by ghuffman
what are sideline throws. outs, fades, wr screens, back shoulder, what?

All of those plus hooks/comebacks, hitches, arrow routes, deep outs, corner routes and post-corner routes. I'm sure there's more that I'm forgetting, but that's a good overview.

Originally posted by Sellars
Im just curious... just because a team NEEDS a QB, does that warrent using your #1 draft pick on one regardless of tallent? The answer to that question is NO. Where would Washington be if they wasted a pick last year during the draft when all these idiots were yelling at how dumb Shanny was for passing on one and drafting Kerrigan. Id say it worked out. Morale of the story, dnt be foolish and waste a pick on a subpar QB that will set u back for years potentially. Same goes for FA QB,s make sure u know hes the man cause if not your fucked money wise. KC would be smart to pick a sure thing with the first pick and then hope for a Tannehill, Weeden, Foles etc type in the 2nd - 4th rnd. This avoids blowing your #1 pick on a loser, secures u a starter somewhere else, and u still get to have a try for a new QB without risking too much.

thank u for stating my point yet again bolick has been with me 2... does that mean im right???? hell no but the chiefs would be making another bad choice if they take n e of these qbs first overall....

best case for a qb first pick is trading the 1 overall and moving to the middle of round 1 and take 1 there. stockpile picks for next years, much stronger, draft and going for broke there. im not opposed to the chiefs drafting a qb at all WE NEED ONE!!!! but just drafting one for the fuck of it is a move a moron would make and cost a franchise money time and fan support. i want them to assess their options and use the best judgement for our franchise not make a boneheaded reach pick that ensures next seasons 1st overall pick as well. at least if we go d maybe we can give our sts or offense enough chances to win a few CUZ THERE ISNT A SINGLE QB WORTH TAKING 1ST OVERALL IN THIS DRAFT. not one qb is better than te'o, star, jarvis, joeckel, hell even mingo who has fallen to the mid 1st round imo because of weak showings

Originally posted by ghuffman
seriously. u don't think Luck is clearly a better option than Tebow even now. I like Tebow but he is a fullback playing qb

its kind of unfair to compare them though... they play the same position but affect the teams they play for differently. luck is the better qb and a great leader. he has the accuracy and the build to play qb and sustain his play for a decade plus. he is amongst the safest picks at qb since dare i say john elway? he is the best qb to come in the league prolly since peyton at the very least.

tebow wins by influencing his teammates to play at a higher level than they are currently capable of. think of the things that team did once he was there. he isnt the best leader in the game but i dare say the most inspirational qb to play with. he has that knack for getting the most out of guys around him. people want to do better when they are with him. he has below avg throwing capabilities but can affect the game with his legs better than just about n e one in the league outside of cam or rg3 imo.

best pure qb for sure luck but best teammate and guy to play with? i mean he did take a 1-5 team to the playoffs last season... i fucking hate tebow with a passion but the guy wins and that has to count for something... whether its him winning or him inspiring the guys around him the teams he has played for have just won so imo depending on what your team needs you could win with either of these qbs

Originally posted by Rayzerx
thank u for stating my point yet again bolick has been with me 2... does that mean im right???? hell no but the chiefs would be making another bad choice if they take n e of these qbs first overall....

best case for a qb first pick is trading the 1 overall and moving to the middle of round 1 and take 1 there. stockpile picks for next years, much stronger, draft and going for broke there. im not opposed to the chiefs drafting a qb at all WE NEED ONE!!!! but just drafting one for the fuck of it is a move a moron would make and cost a franchise money time and fan support. i want them to assess their options and use the best judgement for our franchise not make a boneheaded reach pick that ensures next seasons 1st overall pick as well. at least if we go d maybe we can give our sts or offense enough chances to win a few CUZ THERE ISNT A SINGLE QB WORTH TAKING 1ST OVERALL IN THIS DRAFT. not one qb is better than te'o, star, jarvis, joeckel, hell even mingo who has fallen to the mid 1st round imo because of weak showings

Completely agree, best thing the Chiefs could do is trade down and stockpile. They need to get a QB with that first pick, for no other reason than to appease season ticket holders, but not at number one overall pick (probably not even top 10). Use it to your advantage, shit they could trade down multiple times realistically. Shit figure out who the Jags covet and convince them that's what you (the Chiefs) want. They've proven they'll reach. That one pick could net a lot of additional picks if handled right.

Though all of this is moot until we see who the personal person is going to be. Hopefully Clark brings in a top notch proven Head Coach that he trusts to buy his own groceries. I think Pioli is going to finish out his contract, simply because Clark doesn't want to buy him out. But by the tone of his interview Monday, Pioli is going to be completely neutered. Probably subjugated down to picking up candy wrappers, since he was so pleased with himself for picking up that wrapper in the stairwell.

Originally posted by ghuffman
what are sideline throws. outs, fades, wr screens, back shoulder, what?
Anything recorded as "sideline" by STATS Inc. I'm guessing that means everything targeted outside the numbers.


Originally posted by Chief4Life
i feel Wilson in the 2nd is a perfect shot if he is still there.
Wilson in the second would be reasonable, but I stand by what I said about his ceiling being a below average starter. I don't evaluate QBs based on their stats, so I'm not saying he has suspect accuracy because of any dropped passes. He's fine for the college level, but in the NFL you need to deliver passes with a higher level of precision both to avoid defenders and to protect your receivers.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Anything recorded as "sideline" by STATS Inc. I'm guessing that means everything targeted outside the numbers.

Seems very limiting for an NFL caliber QB. I would expect pro QBs to be able to make most throws you ask them to make. Otherwise, they shouldn't be pro QBs.

Originally posted by ghuffman
Seems very limiting for an NFL caliber QB. I would expect pro QBs to be able to make most throws you ask them to make. Otherwise, they shouldn't be pro QBs.
Every QB is worse on sideline throws than any other type, it's just a question of how much worse. Luck completed 48% and had a qb rating of 62. Plus, it's extremely rare for the majority of a team's throws to target the sidelines the way Denver's did in 2011, which is why Mike McCoy getting credit for how he handled Tebow is so laughable.

did someone just put Tebow in the conversation with Pro QB's

that's what it says on his business cards

Originally posted by Spread-em offense
did someone just put Tebow in the conversation with Pro QB's


63.6 regular season winning percentage, playoff win. If you care more about completion percentage then Tony Romo is definitely your guy.

Originally posted by jdbolick

63.6 regular season winning percentage, playoff win. If you care more about completion percentage then Tony Romo is definitely your guy.

It's funny because everybody wants to knock Tebow for what is perceived that he can't do, but nobody focuses on the fact that he led his team to the playoffs and a win in the first round. Easy question, if you put Tebow on Washington and let him run the same offense, would the Skins be in the playoffs?

Originally posted by rjssob
It's funny because everybody wants to knock Tebow for what is perceived that he can't do, but nobody focuses on the fact that he led his team to the playoffs and a win in the first round. Easy question, if you put Tebow on Washington and let him run the same offense, would the Skins be in the playoffs?

For the record, Romo and Tebow are tied for career playoff wins, at one...

Originally posted by rjssob
For the record, Romo and Tebow are tied for career playoff wins, at one...

for prospective, Sanchez has 4 career playoff wins

Originally posted by rjssob
It's funny because everybody wants to knock Tebow for what is perceived that he can't do, but nobody focuses on the fact that he led his team to the playoffs and a win in the first round. Easy question, if you put Tebow on Washington and let him run the same offense, would the Skins be in the playoffs?

No. he doesn't throw those accurate deep passes like that.