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Originally posted by Jed
Originally posted by purehatred

One, I think it's probably because he quit the team in the same period when everyone was still arguing about the New York Gangsters merger.

And two, Valentine left because he had major issues with something Tim Harper did. If he's that unhappy with the game and the way it's managed, I don't exactly blame him for bailing.

Hurray double-standards!

I'm not particularly worried about why the owners quit. It's the condition the teams are left in.

I think the Blackjacks situation is just as screwed up. If the owner has publicly said he's quit, I don't know why the team hasn't bene put up for sale. The refund issue?

Ad a lot of the suggestions here would help that situation as well.

Again...I think the owner has every righ tto quit if they want. I just don't think it's fair to the rest of the league that there's nothing in place to prevent a mass exodus of players.

Well, you took a very different tone against the Blackjack than you did against other teams who did approximately the same thing (some may say didn't even do it as bad as the Blackjack are).

Originally posted by Jed
Double hurray, I'm doubly-evil!

Sorry I didn't post here before, I was too busy waxing my mustache, getting a new, black top-hat, and tying women to railroad tracks. Tim Harper helped with that last part.

I'm sorry if some of the mods feel picked on.

But be real: there were several instances where rules were clearly broken by high-profile owners who also happened to be mods and in every instance where it was brought up just about every person who defended the actions were either mods and/or alpha testers. (hell in some cases mods didn't even know what rules were being broken)

You can't honestly be surprised by the perception.

Originally posted by Jed
Well, you took a very different tone against the Blackjack than you did against other teams who did approximately the same thing (some may say didn't even do it as bad as the Blackjack are).

I apologize if my tone makes it seem as though I feel like the owners should be forced to keep their team.

Not my intention.

But again...I don't think it's the owner's decision to give up their team that is the issue..regardles of the reason.

It's what happens AFTERWARDS.

Originally posted by purehatred

From what I've seen , I'm not that impressed by most of the alpha testers or the mods. Sorry.

They seemed to use all that experience to find ways to bend as many rules as posssible and then use their position to defend each other to the point where it's impossible to have any kind of legitimate discussion.

Double hurray, I'm doubly-evil!

Sorry I didn't post here before, I was too busy waxing my mustache, getting a new, black top-hat, and tying women to railroad tracks. Tim Harper helped with that last part.

LOL thats not evil... now if you said tied to your bedpost... than your worst then satan! No woman should have to endure that... lol

I can think of 1 time where something even remotely questionable happened (please, don't start it up again, I'm not taking any sides here), which resulted in rule changes to make sure things which were questionable don't happen again.

It has just blown up to the point where, depending on who you ask, every Mod ranges on a scale from Snidley Whiplash to Satan-worshiper who sacrificed 3 puppies and 4 kittens to get the job, and keeps a few spares tied up and tortured on a daily basis to keep the Mod title.

Originally posted by Jed
I can think of 1 time where something even remotely questionable happened (please, don't start it up again, I'm not taking any sides here), which resulted in rule changes to make sure things which were questionable don't happen again.

It has just blown up to the point where, depending on who you ask, every Mod ranges on a scale from Snidley Whiplash to Satan-worshiper who sacrificed 3 puppies and 4 kittens to get the job, and keeps a few spares tied up and tortured on a daily basis to keep the Mod title.

Look, i didnt say only alpha tester people who own teams or mods who own teams should have this rule put in place (the rule of only allowed to cut 2 to 3 human players a day, unlimited cpu cuts). I stated the whole game should have this rule. it will stop gutting of teams. plain and simple.

I was actually replying to hatred, just got ninja'd

Originally posted by purehatred

But be real: there were several instances where rules were clearly broken by high-profile owners who also happened to be mods


I know of one, what are the others?

Edit: I know of one instance where no rules were broken (it wasn't illegal at the time), but decidedly shady things occurred.

As per Jed's request, I'm not going to get into it too much, but there was a large unbalanced trade that took place before a farm team was sold which resulted in more rules changes.

Originally posted by purehatred
As per Jed's request, I'm not going to get into it too much, but there was a large unbalanced trade that took place before a farm team was sold which resulted in more rules changes.

Well, that's more a continuation of the more famous one, but, still, the point remains that it isn't several and it isn't mods, plural, it's been one mod, singular. Definitely not enough to support the mod/alpha tester (still don't know how/why we get lumped in there) vs. everyone else sentiment that's been festering around GLB since the middle of last season.

Originally posted by Asheme
Originally posted by purehatred

As per Jed's request, I'm not going to get into it too much, but there was a large unbalanced trade that took place before a farm team was sold which resulted in more rules changes.

Well, that's more a continuation of the more famous one, but, still, the point remains that it isn't several and it isn't mods, plural, it's been one mod, singular. Definitely not enough to support the mod/alpha tester (still don't know how/why we get lumped in there) vs. everyone else sentiment that's been festering around GLB since the middle of last season.



Ah....but when the threads started complaining about the situation and specifically complaining about the second instance (which was clearly in violation of the rules) the people who defended that one mod the loudest and the hardest were other mods and alpha-testers.

I can only speak for myself, but I know I began to think that either the mods didn't understand what some of the rules meant or were more interested in being loyal to their friends than actually moderating the game.

I would guess I'm not the only one.

It's not fair to the rest of you all, but perception isn't "fair" and there were several things that could've bene done to change the perception when those instances occurred.

Originally posted by purehatred

From what I've seen , I'm not that impressed by most of the alpha testers or the mods. Sorry.

They seemed to use all that experience to find ways to bend as many rules as posssible and then use their position to defend each other to the point where it's impossible to have any kind of legitimate discussion.



This statement says it all. Because we were invited and played the game longer, we can't discredit your solution or argue against your view using the rules.



If I was a player on the team and I knew the owner was leaving, I'd asked to be released before he sold the team.

Even though most owners are not that bad, I wouldn't want to take my chances and wind up with a stinker.

Originally posted by purehatred

It's not fair to the rest of you all, but perception isn't "fair" and there were several things that could've bene done to change the perception when those instances occurred.


For me, it's unfortunate that the perception of the alpha testers switched so suddenly, when, up to that point (and beyond), most, if not all, of the alpha testers had made themselves readily available to the newer players, answering tons of questions and doling out advice/suggestions based on their testing experience. One would hope it'd take more than a set of actions by an isolated individual to cause a sea change in outlook, but, I suppose that's not how things work around here.

Originally posted by justafish2002
Originally posted by purehatred


From what I've seen , I'm not that impressed by most of the alpha testers or the mods. Sorry.

They seemed to use all that experience to find ways to bend as many rules as posssible and then use their position to defend each other to the point where it's impossible to have any kind of legitimate discussion.



This statement says it all. Because we were invited and played the game longer, we can't discredit your solution or argue against your view using the rules.

No. That was in response to FF's assertion that he doesn't listen to other people's opinions because of all his "experience" and "The reason we were alpha testers is that we played other games."

Other way around actually. He was using his "status" as an alpha to discredit other people.

Originally posted by
If I was a player on the team and I knew the owner was leaving, I'd asked to be released before he sold the team.

Even though most owners are not that bad, I wouldn't want to take my chances and wind up with a stinker.

Fine. And the REALLY GREAT suggestion that was made by someone else was that, if you were on that team, your contract would default so that it expired at the end of that current season.

So...the NEW owner would have time to convince players to stay.

PLAYERS, if they want to leave, hang on for a few weeks and have time to pimp themselves to the rest of the universe.

And the LEAGUE stays competitive.

What would be the issue with that?