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I'm not blaming Barack for what Louis Farrakhan said... Personally I want the exact opposite of what whack jobs like Farrakhan want. So that is why I posted it.

I usually keep to myself during political discourse on forums, but...

9ers...
Barack's political ideology has more in common with European socialism than Leninist or Maoist communism. There are differences and each one has its problems. Please try not to make all conservatives look like idiots. Thanks.

Originally posted by bighoppa67
I usually keep to myself during political discourse on forums, but...

9ers...
Barack's political ideology has more in common with European socialism than Leninist or Maoist communism. There are differences and each one has its problems. Please try not to make all conservatives look like idiots. Thanks.

bighoppa, you know how it goes. The idiots create the perception. I work with one guy that should probably be put in a time machine and sent to the Confederate South. He doesn't think women should be able to vote (yet, he thinks Palin was a good choice). He doesn't think men should be able to vote unless they own land (yet he rents an apartment). I won't even get into his views on minorities, because it's just racist bullshit.

The problem is, he's very vocal. So, people hear him. People don't hear the intelligent Republicans who have their views and respect other people for theirs.

Originally posted by tjking82
Originally posted by hutchins929

Highly controversial Muslim leader in the United States Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam, called Barack Obama the “Messiah” in a sermon recently.

“You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth,” Farrakhan said.

“And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about. That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking,” he concluded.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5HEc-vOJs

You can't blame Barack for something someone else said imo. I mean I disagree with the guy in a lot of areas, but let's make our decisions based on the issues, ya know?

Sorry, that isn't how Republican propaganda works.

Originally posted by Admerylous
What mistake? I'm sorry but I still fail to see anything significant or important about hutchin's post.
It just looks like someone who is very anti-Obama or very pro-Republican/McCain grasping at straws.

If you want to attack Obama, attack him on something legitimate. Tell me why you think his policies are flawed. Shit, you can even voice concerns over his lack of executive experience.
All you accomplish by posting petty (and in this case, not even substantial in any sense) bullshit is making yourself look quite pathetic.

I hate the fact that I have to agree 100% with Admerylous on anything.

Face it, though. Republicans rely on proaganda to influence people. I live in one of the most blue states there is, so you'd think I'd see some funky stuff from the extreme left. I don't, though. It actually makes me wonder how this state is so left. Do Republicans not vote? Are they just the only ones who are loud and obnoxious?

I can't count how many e-mails I have got from co-workers who think the entire sales team needs to see some horse shit about Obama not putting his hand on his chest for the pledge, how he's a radical muslim who wants to kill us all, how global warming is created by scientists for job security etc etc etc.

And when I tell them I'm not interested, they just send more. It's awesome. But hey. Democrats are communists.

Originally posted by DrkSandman
Originally posted by bighoppa67

I usually keep to myself during political discourse on forums, but...

9ers...
Barack's political ideology has more in common with European socialism than Leninist or Maoist communism. There are differences and each one has its problems. Please try not to make all conservatives look like idiots. Thanks.

bighoppa, you know how it goes. The idiots create the perception. I work with one guy that should probably be put in a time machine and sent to the Confederate South. He doesn't think women should be able to vote (yet, he thinks Palin was a good choice). He doesn't think men should be able to vote unless they own land (yet he rents an apartment). I won't even get into his views on minorities, because it's just racist bullshit.

The problem is, he's very vocal. So, people hear him. People don't hear the intelligent Republicans who have their views and respect other people for theirs.

Gah...please don't lump me in with the Republicans. I'm a Conservative.

Originally posted by DrkSandman
Originally posted by tjking82

Originally posted by hutchins929


Highly controversial Muslim leader in the United States Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam, called Barack Obama the “Messiah” in a sermon recently.

“You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth,” Farrakhan said.

“And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about. That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking,” he concluded.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5HEc-vOJs

You can't blame Barack for something someone else said imo. I mean I disagree with the guy in a lot of areas, but let's make our decisions based on the issues, ya know?

Sorry, that isn't how Republican propaganda works.

Both sides play the propoganda game that way, you know that.

Edit: Just read your post above. Maybe you don't know that? o_o

Originally posted by bighoppa67
Originally posted by DrkSandman

Originally posted by bighoppa67


I usually keep to myself during political discourse on forums, but...

9ers...
Barack's political ideology has more in common with European socialism than Leninist or Maoist communism. There are differences and each one has its problems. Please try not to make all conservatives look like idiots. Thanks.

bighoppa, you know how it goes. The idiots create the perception. I work with one guy that should probably be put in a time machine and sent to the Confederate South. He doesn't think women should be able to vote (yet, he thinks Palin was a good choice). He doesn't think men should be able to vote unless they own land (yet he rents an apartment). I won't even get into his views on minorities, because it's just racist bullshit.

The problem is, he's very vocal. So, people hear him. People don't hear the intelligent Republicans who have their views and respect other people for theirs.

Gah...please don't lump me in with the Republicans. I'm a Conservative.



Same. Both Dems and Repubs will adopt any stance that will win them votes, so long as it furthers big government and their own political entrenchment. Perverse, but not surprising.

Due to the two party system they each have to sort of adopt polarizing views to differentiate themselves on many issues. Rather than having parties that stick to the same general principles they must ebb and flow with the voters they wish to obtain. Granted, ideals and values to change regardless -- I believe social issues that many Republicans oppose will become less and less contended as time wears on.

The Republican party has become this party of deregulation of financial and economic principles; allow capitalism to reign on most issues. This extends beyond just business, it follows to health care, education, etc. However, they'd like to stipulate and dictate what a person can and cannot do in regards to many social issues or ... for lack of a better terminology coming to mind... scientifically progressive issues.

The Democratic party is just the flip side of that coin. Regulate our business, schools, health care, etc. When it comes to the social issues and those, uh, progressive scientific issues and research, push forward to deregulating those.


If you want to tell a woman she can't have an abortion and that a business has to provide health care, there isn't a major party for you.

If you want to allow business to be able to compete by essentially any means necessary and allow homosexuals to marry just the same as heterosexual couples, there isn't a party for you.


Fortunately for me, I feel strongly in line with the current platform of the Democratic Party and most of Barack Obama's stances. In fact, I welcome the a little dose of "European Socialism" as some have put it (or, if you want to be a Republican or totally irrational: communism) that some feel Barack's policies trend towards.

And just as an aside...
As a Democracy we elect officials to vote the way the people, the majority, have elected them to. Their campaigns said things regarding the way they would vote or act and the majority decided that is what they would prefer. It's paradoxical to hate a politician for adjusting his views to suit the majority. I understand it entirely and even share some of the same sentiment. It's just amusing.

Originally posted by Admerylous
And just as an aside...
As a Democracy we elect officials to vote the way the people, the majority, have elected them to. Their campaigns said things regarding the way they would vote or act and the majority decided that is what they would prefer. It's paradoxical to hate a politician for adjusting his views to suit the majority. I understand it entirely and even share some of the same sentiment. It's just amusing.


So you must be pissed about these bailouts, as a clear majority of the people opposed it vehemently but Congress passed it anyway...

Originally posted by tjking82
Originally posted by DrkSandman

Originally posted by tjking82


Originally posted by hutchins929



Highly controversial Muslim leader in the United States Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam, called Barack Obama the “Messiah” in a sermon recently.

“You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth,” Farrakhan said.

“And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about. That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking,” he concluded.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha5HEc-vOJs

You can't blame Barack for something someone else said imo. I mean I disagree with the guy in a lot of areas, but let's make our decisions based on the issues, ya know?

Sorry, that isn't how Republican propaganda works.

Both sides play the propoganda game that way, you know that.

Edit: Just read your post above. Maybe you don't know that? o_O

Of course I do. But because I typically lean left, I may not see some stuff as propaganda, right? What I was trying to say is, I see far less extreme propaganda from the left than I do right.

I don't see emails coming from Dems with some wild unverified story about gun control. I do however see wacky stuff about global warming on a weekly basis. I don't know, maybe the issue is Republicans care more than Dems, so they talk about stuff more. I dunno. I am pretty down the middle with a slight left lean so I try to avoid the heated debates and stuff. Which Is why I'll probably go back to not participating in this thread again very soon.

I'd actually really like to find a sane Democrat and a sane Republican someday that I can sit down with and listen to their stances on some of the big issues without hearing a bunch of garbage propaganda, just the facts. I don't think that is possible, though.

EDIT: If I didn't make this clear.. I'm not much in to this sort of thing. I was just throwing out there that I see much more propaganda from the right than I do the left, even though I'm in a very blue state. I'm confused by that, and if anyone has an idea as to why it may be (is just random chance?), I'd love to hear it.

Originally posted by tjking82
Originally posted by Admerylous

And just as an aside...
As a Democracy we elect officials to vote the way the people, the majority, have elected them to. Their campaigns said things regarding the way they would vote or act and the majority decided that is what they would prefer. It's paradoxical to hate a politician for adjusting his views to suit the majority. I understand it entirely and even share some of the same sentiment. It's just amusing.


So you must be pissed about these bailouts, as a clear majority of the people opposed it vehemently but Congress passed it anyway...

I have a multimillion dollar bid on the table with a three letter company out there right now, so I selfishly didn't mind it.

Originally posted by tjking82
Originally posted by Admerylous

And just as an aside...
As a Democracy we elect officials to vote the way the people, the majority, have elected them to. Their campaigns said things regarding the way they would vote or act and the majority decided that is what they would prefer. It's paradoxical to hate a politician for adjusting his views to suit the majority. I understand it entirely and even share some of the same sentiment. It's just amusing.


So you must be pissed about these bailouts, as a clear majority of the people opposed it vehemently but Congress passed it anyway...

So you must not have read that entire post because you're attempting to bend it into a way that does not work with what you just said.

Additionally, most people opposed it vehemently because they don't see the big picture. They see big business getting "saved" and themselves footing the bill for it, nothing else.

Originally posted by Admerylous
Originally posted by tjking82

Originally posted by Admerylous


And just as an aside...
As a Democracy we elect officials to vote the way the people, the majority, have elected them to. Their campaigns said things regarding the way they would vote or act and the majority decided that is what they would prefer. It's paradoxical to hate a politician for adjusting his views to suit the majority. I understand it entirely and even share some of the same sentiment. It's just amusing.


So you must be pissed about these bailouts, as a clear majority of the people opposed it vehemently but Congress passed it anyway...

So you must not have read that entire post because you're attempting to bend it into a way that does not work with what you just said.

Additionally, most people opposed it vehemently because they don't see the big picture. They see big business getting "saved" and themselves footing the bill for it, nothing else.

It goes with what I said. I said they do whatever they have to to 1) win votes, and 2) entrench themselves. In this situation, 1 is a wash and 2 weighs in favor of voting for a bailout.

I see the distinction between electing somebody on a platform, and having them deal with something unexpected. But the distinction isn't very meaningful to me. If we knew there would have been this situation, we wouldn't have voted in someone who wanted the bailout. But it was unpredictable. Does that excuse the representative function?

You justify this because "we the people" are ignorant. So paternalism is okay? As long as our representatives have our interests at heart and believe they know better, it's okay if they go against our expressly stated wishes? Tell me how you really feel.