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jdbolick
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Originally posted by Darkstrand
hmm in the nfl are HBs more or less likely to fumble 2x

Extraordinarily unlikely. No back in the NFL had more than 5 fumbles last season. But that's not really important because GLB isn't the NFL. The important thing is to remove an unbalancing game mechanic.
 
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Competition in the NFL is more even, and players can adjust tactics midgame to mitigate their opponents strengths. They can even avoid certain players who are hard hitters, or blockers can key in on defensive play makers. Ball carriers can even opt for more ball security by putting two hands on the ball when being tackled by defenders who like to strip the ball.

GLB is pitting builds against builds. If one player has a weakness that faces off against a strength of the other team, it will get exploited over and over again. You can't ask for a nerf simply because something that's unusual in the NFL happens here. If you fumble twice in a row, you need to be asking yourself, with the current game mechanics, what is the other team doing that I'm not prepared enough for.

It could simply be that your build sucks at ball security compared to the gunnrs coming after you and their respective FF roll. You could easily get rolled up on by dots with 200 combined strength and tackling. Who have double stacked ff% an one mt% Or even two mt% as well, who knows? You may think your returner with his 15% avoid fumble roll and 155 combined strength and carrying is formidable, but it's not, especially when the gunners have 50 lbs on your returner. He's going to get lit up every play, and if you think that requires a nerf you are just making it that much harder for legitimate hard hitters on defense to shine at what they are good at.

When a dot is built to excel at something it generally excels there, especially against dots who are weaker in the roll that opposes that.

LHF makes a CB with 84 catching (including VA's)?
He should be making picks left and right.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4295798

If someone makes a dot with 190 combined strength and tackling (including VA's), they should be stacking up FF's and KL's
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2148202

Someone makes a HB with 179 speed (including VA's), it should be faster than every other dot.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2565319

If you build a dot that's better than the dots that surround it at doing certain things, it's inevitable that opposing dots will appear worse when engaged with that dot in the roll that dot excels at. This is GLB, if you're losing at something, your dot sucks at that something, it isn't up to Bort to fix the sim so you can keep making shitty dots an never learn anything. It's up to you to build a dot that either attacks the weakness of others, or repels the strengths of others. But if you make losers, you will lose, hopefully you'll have the grace to step back an take it like a man an not a sniveling baby crying for the security of his mothers tits.
It's not enough for the winners to succeed, the losers should fail.
 
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MileHighShoes, kindly stop posting since you have absolutely no clue what is being discussed. You have four years worth of reading to do so that you can catch up enough to comment in a way that isn't thoroughly annoying in its utter pointlessness. Or better yet, just never argue with me about anything. Spend the rest of your life believing that any thought you've ever had has already occurred to me and either been accepted or rejected, such that there is no need for you to comment at all. We'll both be happier for it, I promise.
 
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Originally posted by jdbolick
MileHighShoes, kindly stop posting since you have absolutely no clue what is being discussed. You have four years worth of reading to do so that you can catch up enough to comment in a way that isn't thoroughly annoying in its utter pointlessness. Or better yet, just never argue with me about anything. Spend the rest of your life believing that any thought you've ever had has already occurred to me and either been accepted or rejected, such that there is no need for you to comment at all. We'll both be happier for it, I promise.


Complain to Bort enough and maybe he'll nerf my posting ability.
 
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Or just don't argue with someone until you have the slightest clue what's being discussed. All you achieve by posting in complete ignorance is to make yourself look foolish and to annoy the person you're arguing with.
 
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Or just don't argue with someone until you have the slightest clue what's being discussed. All you achieve by posting in complete ignorance is to make yourself look foolish and to annoy the person you're arguing with.


Build a 100 Carrying returner with double stacked break tackle and single stacked avoid fumble and then you can complain all you want about fumbles.
 
Bane
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Anytime I fap and don't get happy ending, my morale drops

But it never happens twice in a row

And I mean never
 
jdbolick
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Originally posted by MileHighShoes
Build a 100 Carrying returner with double stacked break tackle and single stacked avoid fumble and then you can complain all you want about fumbles.

Since you're shining a spotlight on your myopic idiocy, I suppose I have to clue you in that the discussion isn't about whether or not that returner should fumble. It isn't even about whether or not it should have fumbled twice. There is a wealth of evidence collected practically since the start of GLB that there is something in the sim which causes additional turnovers to become increasingly more likely after one is experienced. I brought up the returner simply to note that morale wasn't the culprit. It's something else in the code. Now may we please end your foolish interruption and return to our regularly scheduled discussion?
 
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Originally posted by Bane
Anytime I fap and don't get happy ending, my morale drops

But it never happens twice in a row

And I mean never


Just your morale drops? Interesting.... Too much Viagra, perhaps?
 
MileHighShoes
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Originally posted by jdbolick

Since you're shining a spotlight on your myopic idiocy, I suppose I have to clue you in that the discussion isn't about whether or not that returner should fumble. It isn't even about whether or not it should have fumbled twice. There is a wealth of evidence collected practically since the start of GLB that there is something in the sim which causes additional turnovers to become increasingly more likely after one is experienced. I brought up the returner simply to note that morale wasn't the culprit. It's something else in the code. Now may we please end your foolish interruption and return to our regularly scheduled discussion?


Lol, you just sent me a PM in which you almost verbatim repeated your post. Are you that worried that I wouldn't see your brilliant reply?

Should we then also use all the examples where one turnover is not followed by another against your hypothesis?
I just skimmed through all the recent games in USAPL

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396231
3 fumbles, by 3 different players who seemed unaffected afterwards. No cascade of turnovers.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396220
1 interception, no cascade of turnovers

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396181
2 fumbles... by the same player... evidence maybe?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396250
1 interception, no turnover cascade

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396195&mode=pbp
4 fumbles, two by the QB, possible evidence, but they came from the same defender, could be and more likely an issue of builds.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396208
Quite a few turnovers here, 2 by the same QB, two by the same returner, I can see the team builds, and I doubt this is the result of a turnover cascade.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396241
2 picks, no cascade

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396361
1 fumble

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396340
1 int

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396301
2 picks by 1 qb... based on the score I doubt there was a turnover cascade

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396351
3 fumbles, two picks, 2 fumbles from same HB, but split apart by 2 quarters, doubt its a cascade again.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396328
1 fumble, no cascade

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2396315
0 turnovers

So out of the 13 games I looked at... there is maybe 1 that possibly shows evidence of your theory. The other are explained away by the much more likely theory that a build that has a hole will be exploited in that hole repetitively due to the nature of GLB and how rolls work. Nothing happens in a vacuum, everything done in this game is done in direct competition with the man across from you. No dot can be all things, they will all have their holes and weaknesses. The home run threats ten to fumble, the secure ball carriers with an emphasis in yards after contact will get caught from behind. The tradeoff is the very nature of the game. And when your weaknsses get exploited it may seem right to look for a conspiracy or some hidden mechanic of the game... but really... fix your builds.

Oh, and don't pm me with that garbage bro, if I want to respond to your post in thread, I'll respond to it in the thread, I don't need a verbatim copy in m inbox, I am not a child, nor am I your dog.
 
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Originally posted by MileHighShoes
nor am I your dog.


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The correct answer here is Karma. I offered up that dot to JD last offseason but he kindly declined.
 
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Originally posted by MileHighShoes
So out of the 13 games I looked at... there is maybe 1 that possibly shows evidence of your theory.

What part of "we have years of evidence" did you fail to grasp? Obviously you're not nearly as smart as you wish you were, which is the source of your entire problem since it leads you to make sweeping statements as if you're capable of answering anything even though your actual responses show a comical level of ignorance. Which do you think is more significant, looking at four+ years or 13 games? And while I understand that you will struggle to grasp anything more complex than a cereal box, and therefore have almost no chance of comprehending my explanation, at least try reading this: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2592578 A second turnover doesn't magically become automatic after the first one. That's what your latest post indicates that you thought, which is precisely why you shouldn't be posting at all. Turnovers just become more likely, and that chance increases with each additional turnover. That's why we see mass-turnover games such as a returner fumbling 6 times in one game without fumbling the rest of the season, or a quarterback throwing 12 interceptions in one game when he only had 5 the rest of the season. Again, we have numerous examples of these mass-turnover games, far more than should happen simply by random chance. If turnovers were independent then you would see a proportionate decline from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 turnover games and so on. That isn't the case. Instead the data looks more like f(x) = 1/x.

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The other are explained away by the much more likely theory that a build that has a hole will be exploited in that hole repetitively due to the nature of GLB and how rolls work. Nothing happens in a vacuum, everything done in this game is done in direct competition with the man across from you. No dot can be all things, they will all have their holes and weaknesses. The home run threats ten to fumble, the secure ball carriers with an emphasis in yards after contact will get caught from behind. The tradeoff is the very nature of the game. And when your weaknsses get exploited it may seem right to look for a conspiracy or some hidden mechanic of the game... but really... fix your builds.

This explanation was addressed and proven wrong four years ago, which is exactly what I mean about you looking like a buffoon by running your mouth when you don't even know what was being discussed. Stop and think about the fact that you didn't even know that the discussion was about turnovers increasing the chance of more turnovers until you'd already posted several times. You had no clue what was actually being talked about, and yet you were posting (predictably useless) condescending answers when you humorously didn't even know the actual question.

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Oh, and don't pm me with that garbage bro, if I want to respond to your post in thread, I'll respond to it in the thread, I don't need a verbatim copy in m inbox, I am not a child, nor am I your dog.

No, you're just a nobody who wants to be a somebody. You don't have a history of identifying and solving bugs as I do, and you don't have anywhere near the understanding of the sim that I do. I'm me and you're you. Think about that again. Think about who I am and who you are. Should you ever, ever be arguing with me about anything? Of course not. Act appropriately. Or more generally, at least stop to learn what the discussion is about before you humiliate yourself by posting a condescending "answer" when you got the question completely wrong.
 
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jd it is linked to moral.your retarded random hypothesis with a random shit piece of.evidence means nothing.

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