Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Ken1
I can agree with you on the above quote, although it should also avoid giving so much away that the game gets "figured out" and there is one optimal way to do things.

The answer there is to design it well enough that there is not an optimal way, but many equally balanced ways. Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock.

Originally posted by yello1
The answer there is to design it well enough that there is not an optimal way, but many equally balanced ways. Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock.

Possibly.

I will say I love that variation on Rock/Paper/Scissors in a chuckle-but-it-works way, that I first heard of watching The Big Bang Theory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Q6-wMx-K8

Originally posted by yello1
Don't call me a liar. Thats infuriating and uncalled for. Stop projecting your self involved self serving values on others and you may see the world a tad more clearly.

Again, I make game suggestions. I made games. Sold them to people not for profit, there wasnt much, but because I like it. I play games and then I think about what could be better or more to my liking. Online games came along I do the same thing. My first suggestions about this game were posted years ago. My suggestions were posted when my team was winning championships. My suggestions in my other online games are posted when winning or losing. Heck I post suggestions in fantasy RPG MMOs where there is no such thing as winning OR losing.

As for it won't work, maybe. Maybe it would tick off everyone and the game would immediately end. Or maybe it ticks off some folks and some leave and some adapt, but meanwhile new players and players who would have left under the current system like the game more because of parity and STAY. And maybe in the long run thats better for the GLB business and those who stay than the current dwindling player base course is.

Following my analogy, yes the NFL would survive without parity. In maybe ten cities that can compete without a salary cap. But the other 22 cities would be watching tennis and sucking an egg like Los Angeles does now. Ten cities might keep the NFL afloat but I wouldnt bet on ten teams or one league being enough to keep Bort from getting another line of work, maybe a Tennis sim.

Anyway, whether it would work or not neither you nor I really can say. I just put the concept out there as a potential solution to a perceived issue. Hate it if you will.

As to league contraction, the less and less players there are the more true that argument becomes. But less is not more in terms of profits. See the ten cities/one league issue above. And in any case less teams still does not equate to parity. Those bad dot builders will still be there and those good dot builders will still go to the winning teams and the other teams will have no chance of winning generally speaking and then they will still quit. What then? MORE contraction? Till its ONLY the winning teams left? What is that? 16 WL teams, maybe that many more in all National Pro? 32 times 204,000 flex every seven months, adjusted for the 70% discount.

Thats game over time. I dont think thats what anyone wants, even LESS so than parity and real salary caps.

As for ten pages, LOL I have no idea.

Liar

At the very least you are lying to yourself. You have never won a relevant championship. The only ounce of credibility you can claim is your one OPL CCG appearance and even that is a joke as that was when OPL was at its all time worst.

Also you are a liar if you try to say you are happier having a perennial shitty Nat Pro team(s) that have no chance at making/contending in playoffs and will never improve because it/they are allowed to sit at the bottom of the league season after season developing a reputation of failure than you would be if it/they were forced down to Reg Pro Elite where you could actually compete against teams of similar skill level. With contracted Nat Pro your team(s) have a much better chance of developing a winning rep and will find recruiting easier. With fewer teams in Nat Pro the fewer shitty built dots and shitty coordinators will be there. This benefits Nat Pro teams as there are fewer teams to compete for the best FA dots (top fa dots are still going to go to Nat Pro+). When a team like yours promotes they would actually have a shot at dots they never would have had in the current system. So, yes, a team like yours will prob bounce between Reg and Nat but at least you will be in a better position to compete when you are actually there and actually feel accomplished if/when you finally stick.

Lastly, you are lying to yourself if you think making Nat Pro is "making it" in this game. It s practically a guarantee to get there.

Originally posted by yello1
Hmmm well 'core fundamentals" does ring true, doesn't it. Others have said it but that really sold it to me.

Okay, you all win.

Bad idea.

Wait did this just happen.

I am so proud of you... our little yello is growing up right before our eyes!!

Originally posted by beenlurken
Liar

At the very least you are lying to yourself. You have never won a relevant championship. The only ounce of credibility you can claim is your one OPL CCG appearance and even that is a joke as that was when OPL was at its all time worst.

Also you are a liar if you try to say you are happier having a perennial shitty Nat Pro team(s) that have no chance at making/contending in playoffs and will never improve because it/they are allowed to sit at the bottom of the league season after season developing a reputation of failure than you would be if it/they were forced down to Reg Pro Elite where you could actually compete against teams of similar skill level. With contracted Nat Pro your team(s) have a much better chance of developing a winning rep and will find recruiting easier. With fewer teams in Nat Pro the fewer shitty built dots and shitty coordinators will be there. This benefits Nat Pro teams as there are fewer teams to compete for the best FA dots (top fa dots are still going to go to Nat Pro+). When a team like yours promotes they would actually have a shot at dots they never would have had in the current system. So, yes, a team like yours will prob bounce between Reg and Nat but at least you will be in a better position to compete when you are actually there and actually feel accomplished if/when you finally stick.

Lastly, you are lying to yourself if you think making Nat Pro is "making it" in this game. It s practically a guarantee to get there.

Never relevant to YOU perhaps but I proudly won em and display the trophies. Well not proudly, its a game. Your judgment of things does not equate to reality.

Never said I was happier losing. I just said my idea making is not merely to somehow make me win. The only role my losing has in the process is that thats the part of the game I see most and have the most input to offer on. The nuances of WL play I have had little connection with (one dot IIRC, long ago) and therefore not much to offer in way of suggestions.

As for stick? Wtf? Miracle have been in Nat Pro since S16. The Grace in USA Pro for three, the Word for two. Stickin in Nat Pro I can manage. Its the playoffs that are dicier, about 50-50 with the OTM, maybe a tad less with the last two seasons.

Originally posted by beenlurken
Wait did this just happen.

I am so proud of you... our little yello is growing up right before our eyes!!

Oh I have bailed on ideas before.

This was a bit of a volte face but he is right, in the way he said it and the essence of it. Its not just something alot of people do and like, its not something that losing would shift some people out and bring others in. It IS I guess an integral part of the games core concept.

Blowing that up might be wise but it could be said to be too fundamental a change to make all the same.

My idea would still fix the OP issue. But maybe its too much to ask.

you seem to be the only one that can't comprehend that your idea is idiotic. you cant force good players to play for bad teams. all it would do is to either force large number of retirements or onto cpu owned teams. very few people will spend the flex to then waste their careers playing for substandard.teams.

Originally posted by yello1
As for stick? Wtf? Miracle have been in Nat Pro since S16. The Grace in USA Pro for three, the Word for two. Stickin in Nat Pro I can manage. Its the playoffs that are dicier, about 50-50 with the OTM, maybe a tad less with the last two seasons.

Why do you have such a hard time following conversations?

What part of it is ridiculously easy to get to Nat Pro and just as ridiculously easy to stay there don't you understand? When is the last time a team from OPL that was actually trying to win demoted from OPL? As it is now (and it has been so for a long time) "sticking" in Nat Pro is NOT an accomplishment.. it is by default. The only teams that demote are gut jobs or teams that don't care and are about to restart/rebuild. There is absolutely no challenge to stay in Nat Pro. Why are simple concepts like this so difficult for you to understand?

Again, since you continue to foolishly bring it up, let's look at your playoff history... 12 seasons in OPL.. only 5 playoff appearances.. two of which came in your first two seasons in OPL when OPL was at its worst competitively (do you dispute this?) and the only two playoff appearances you advanced past the first round... let's also not forget you were blown out in the CCG and the 2nd round in those two seasons so even in OPLs worst seasons you were not a contender. In the last 10 seasons you have only made the playoffs three times... all three appearances resulted in first round blowout losses... again your team was not a contender. In fact it has been nothing but a bye week for those that are actually capable of contending for a title. I know it's hard for you to accept but you team is either viewed as a boring waste of time or nice break from having to game plan. You are 100% insane if you consider that as "sticking" Nat Pro. Again, staying/sticking in Nat Pro for 12 seasons is NOT an accomplishment... NOT something to hang you hat on.

Also LOL at you for even mentioning the Word and Grace as support. It's just more proof that only gut jobs demote out of Nat Pro.

Originally posted by yello1
Never said I was happier losing. I just said my idea making is not merely to somehow make me win.

LIAR

You are tired of not just losing but also tired of never being an actual contender. Your idea is purely with selfish intent.

You have one of two options:
1. Figure out how to make your team better and reach a higher level of competitiveness
2. Figure out how to handicap those who are better back down to your level

Unfortunately you choose to spend all of your time on 2.

That said there are only two ways to go about improving parity at Nat Pro level:
1. Contracting Nat Pro
2. Handicap/Nerf the good teams

It is no surprise you choose option 2

I still think 3-4 seasons from now we could have better pro leagues. The "free player" season teams will begin hitting natty pro around that time and there are way more teams and dots at that level than most others.

Originally posted by bigtisme
I still think 3-4 seasons from now we could have better pro leagues. The "free player" season teams will begin hitting natty pro around that time and there are way more teams and dots at that level than most others.

just because there are more dots, doesnt mean that teams will get better. how many of those free dots are well built? and there will still be too many clueless owners that have no idea how to run a team.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
just because there are more dots, doesnt mean that teams will get better. how many of those free dots are well built? and there will still be too many clueless owners that have no idea how to run a team.

More dots means there will be more dots built at a high level.

Originally posted by bigtisme
I still think 3-4 seasons from now we could have better pro leagues. The "free player" season teams will begin hitting natty pro around that time and there are way more teams and dots at that level than most others.

The prob is the free player will on create spikes since most were created at same time... so 3-4 seasons of spike and then 1+ years for them to return.

Originally posted by bigtisme
More dots means there will be more dots built at a high level.

i understand that there will be MORE, but that doesnt mean they will be GOOD. just look at their current leagues, and that natpro in a few seasons.