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Originally posted by merenoise
Luckily since you have so many bad ideas it was quick and painless. If someone had the time or inclination I'm sure they could find many, many more examples of exactly how far off base you routinely are. At least yello is sometimes funny. You, just sad.

You really are obsessed. I've had a lot of good ideas that were universally accepted, too.

I don't believe you that it was easy for you, because the search capabilities on GLB are pretty limited, and you had to go back very far, and your "examples" weren't all from the same week or anything. You had to go through months of posts.

I fully stand by opposing full VA resets and stand by my belief coaches would have been a good addition to the game. I also stand by that one sack in a well-matched game is good and two is great. Look at rl football and I'm backed up on that. I do admit that I went overboard in my desire to limit sacks, but that was still better than had sacks not been changed at all and Speed had been king of linemen the way it is elsewhere in the game.

You're so pathetic that all you can do is attack me rather than offer good arguments. It's bizarre that you're so obsessed with me. Others have moved on. You've shown in other posts that you enjoy others' pain, so I guess you want to cause pain through personal attacks more than you want to be constructive.

BACK ON TOPIC: I was undecided on this issue until I read TruthHammer's post, which pointed out that there would be a [f]iuture need for as many leagues as we have. To me, that was enough to justify having more leagues than we need now, as if we need them after the game is pronounced Gold, there's a good chance we wouldn't get them.

+1

Originally posted by Ken1
BACK ON TOPIC: I was undecided on this issue until I read TruthHammer's post, which pointed out that there would be a [f]iuture need for as many leagues as we have. To me, that was enough to justify having more leagues than we need now, as if we need them after the game is pronounced Gold, there's a good chance we wouldn't get them.



As to anyone whose been around the game long enough, we know the OPPOSITE of that to be true.

the game userbase has dwindled, or at least enough where I've seen all CPU teams play well enough to stay in Pro for seasons on end.

Expecting some huge additional players to just come into the game is borderline retarded, it is not going to happen.

Originally posted by geekor
As to anyone whose been around the game long enough, we know the OPPOSITE of that to be true.

the game userbase has dwindled, or at least enough where I've seen all CPU teams play well enough to stay in Pro for seasons on end.

Expecting some huge additional players to just come into the game is borderline retarded, it is not going to happen.


Actually, what the post that convinced me pointed out was that the last three seasons' rookie classes had many more players than previous classes, most likely the effect of the free players plus the APD. We don't have to wait for more players to be created; they have been.

Additionally, more players will be available to Pros due to extended plateaus.

Unless TruthHammer was mistaken or making up data about the size of the cohorts of players, they've already been created and are headed to the Pros; it just takes time for them to hit the Pros.

Originally posted by Moretti
Originally posted by GmanV2

and just for competitive purposes alone this makes too much sense!



... but +1 anyway

advertising to the masses imo

Originally posted by Ken1
Unless TruthHammer was mistaken or making up data

Just go here and check out the number of leagues per age class:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/leagues.pl

This might have been answered already but how do you address kicking the non competitive teams into reg pro is there enough room in reg pro? You can't just force people who have a few dots on their teams to give up their spot.... Tough to implement... easy to support.

Originally posted by alindyl
-1

We don't know what will happen in the next season or two when/if we come out of beta and they begin advertising.

sure we do, nothing

Originally posted by Gart888
if they had made playoffs (i.e. been a better team) they wouldn't be in that situation though. so boomer's suggestion holds.

everyone cant make the wl playoffs

Originally posted by Dr. Showtime
Originally posted by Gart888

if they had made playoffs (i.e. been a better team) they wouldn't be in that situation though. so boomer's suggestion holds.

everyone cant make the wl playoffs

all the good teams can though

Originally posted by TruthHammer
The last class that just went pro was extremely small. The next few coming up are a little bigger, but still pretty small. So I expect the problem to get worse for a few seasons.

However, the current Prep, Sophomore, and Rookie classes are much larger. I believe the introduction of APD and the free player are the likely causes. I think the influx of many more teams and players, combined with a longer plateau will make the Pros a lot more competitive. Unfortunately, it's going to take 7 or 8 seasons to really start seeing it.

If this change were made today (and I would agree that it is a good idea for today's leagues), I believe there's a strong chance that we'd change our minds down the road. Bort and Catch have already said that they don't want to make any major league structure changes post beta, so I'm going to bet on a more positive GLB future and give this a -1.

The current Prep, Sophomore and Rookie classes are always fairly big. The problem is that out of that large class maybe 40-50% actually ever makes it to even Semi-Pro. People go inactive, teams realize that they aren't good enough to win in competitive leagues much less Elite and restart, and some people just lose interest. The end result is that by the time those Prep & Rookie classes filter up to the top leagues they are far smaller than they started out.

Even if by some fantastic turn of events those classes stay relatively together and only lose 20-30% of their dots that still leaves 6 or 7 seasons before those dots are National Pro ready which means the sad state of affairs which exists up there goes on for at least that long.

Condense the leagues now, and if necessary expand them back out again down the road when there are enough dots to fill extra leagues.

Originally posted by merenoise
The current Prep, Sophomore and Rookie classes are always fairly big. The problem is that out of that large class maybe 40-50% actually ever makes it to even Semi-Pro. People go inactive, teams realize that they aren't good enough to win in competitive leagues much less Elite and restart, and some people just lose interest. The end result is that by the time those Prep & Rookie classes filter up to the top leagues they are far smaller than they started out.

Even if by some fantastic turn of events those classes stay relatively together and only lose 20-30% of their dots that still leaves 6 or 7 seasons before those dots are National Pro ready which means the sad state of affairs which exists up there goes on for at least that long.

Condense the leagues now, and if necessary expand them back out again down the road when there are enough dots to fill extra leagues.

Exactly right...

worse case comes, start demoting the bottom 4 (instead of bottom 2, or event tack that change on with this one) to Regional Pro and bring more new blood up. There are a lot of crappy Pro teams, they can stay in Regional and earn their way up.

Originally posted by merenoise
The current Prep, Sophomore and Rookie classes are always fairly big. The problem is that out of that large class maybe 40-50% actually ever makes it to even Semi-Pro. People go inactive, teams realize that they aren't good enough to win in competitive leagues much less Elite and restart, and some people just lose interest. The end result is that by the time those Prep & Rookie classes filter up to the top leagues they are far smaller than they started out.

Even if by some fantastic turn of events those classes stay relatively together and only lose 20-30% of their dots that still leaves 6 or 7 seasons before those dots are National Pro ready which means the sad state of affairs which exists up there goes on for at least that long.

Condense the leagues now, and if necessary expand them back out again down the road when there are enough dots to fill extra leagues.

This.

+1 to shrinking GLB. Can we bring back BBB, A, AA, AAA, as well? Just saying. In any event, I have been wondering how much the GLB consistent user population actually grew or shrunk. Yeah, people go inactive for months or years and come back for a few seasons...

Originally posted by slashxtreme
This might have been answered already but how do you address kicking the non competitive teams into reg pro is there enough room in reg pro? You can't just force people who have a few dots on their teams to give up their spot.... Tough to implement... easy to support.
Somewhere on pages 6 & 7. Basically, pro teams that win their playoffs would stay in the revamped leagues; pro teams that miss out on the postseason (and aren't folding) would drop back into Regional Pro.

Originally posted by timthorn
Can we bring back BBB, A, AA, AAA, as well?
I think that ship has sailed, but I am nostalgic for those league designations too.