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Originally posted by kurieg
I think you're probably right, but have some of my testing to do.

However, it is at least possible to avoid and still win games... maybe.

I agree/disagree. In a close game that could go either way, if one team avoids it and other doesn't its obvious who wins. If they both use it or avoid it, then it's probably going to be a close game. But by using it, instead of actually "outthinking" your opponent, it will come down to most likely who gets the fumble/interception calls, or who gets the ball last. It will be like playing chess against yourself because you both use the same exploit plays all game.

Originally posted by Gart888
And I didn't make a fucking peep when he raped our faces.

You really couldn't say anything. The guy is an awesome LB and used perfectly...he's not used behind the DT as a MLB every play, simply because they know he wont be blocked...he is coming from all over the place and actually gets OFF blocks, not just running past a lineman tying to block someone dropping back into coverage...

Originally posted by jrry32
Saying they weren't is retarded. If they weren't an exploit, why did Bort have to fix them? Please answer that.

Because they worked well? You saying putting a bunch of punting on a punter is an exploit too? Kanaan took advantage of an issue with blocking. Screens aren't taking any more advantage of something than QB runs were taking advantage of maximizing a build. A good defense is able to contain both. Always has been, and anyone that said otherwise wasn't a good enough DC to gameplan around it.

Originally posted by David Stern
Thing is I've never used an exploit

You've rotted players, among other things, so I'm hesitant to buy into the fact that you've never used exploits.

Originally posted by David Stern
My entire point is vs sb the hb picks up the blitz so it was a gp issue, the entire point of my post was what makes a exploit an exploit instead of working as intended??? S11 screens??? Wasn't an exploit IMO but every team that the teams I was apart of beat the opposition cried... It's a fine line in a game like this, and idk any top team that isn't going to do w/e it takes to win...

It's when you try to pretend you have a simple understanding of the sim in it's current state, that one must wonder how small your brain actually is, bc you don't get it...


Explain why this is not an exploit? Should the C not block the DT and the LG not block the incoming MLB...as well as the LT blocking the RDE? Instead no one picks up the MLB at the line even though there is an extra blocker...you can run that play 10 times and get the same result 100 times. Move that MLB to the Strong side behind the NT who backs up and lets see if he gets through? There is a problem if someone can get through 100% of the time when there are blockers available to block. The HB should not have to pick up the MLB when someone is getting double locked at the line all the time.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=979871&pbp_id=8714573

Originally posted by Jiddy78
How exactly has he failed again?


He has never won anything, and with the amount of crappy coordinators/Lazy people on this game. The fact he has never put together a winning AI for any game at any level tells me just how little he truly knows, laugh all you want, but results speak for themselves. How has he not failed is the real question??????

Since JD is an absolute Debate machine, lets set it up in True JD form... This is what I really want to know


JD who are you?

JD what have you ever done, that would make anyone think you know what you're doing??

JD when did you win your 1st trophy, and what was the exploit you refused to use?

JD Where is your team going to be playing next season?

JD why is it you have such knowledge of this great game, but can't understand that something that can be stopped isn't an exploit, its a strategy???

JD how have you not failed at this game?

Originally posted by Iceman16
Originally posted by jrry32

Saying they weren't is retarded. If they weren't an exploit, why did Bort have to fix them? Please answer that.

Because they worked well? You saying putting a bunch of punting on a punter is an exploit too? Kanaan took advantage of an issue with blocking. Screens aren't taking any more advantage of something than QB runs were taking advantage of maximizing a build. A good defense is able to contain both. Always has been, and anyone that said otherwise wasn't a good enough DC to gameplan around it.

Iceman, if you're going to blatantly lie. Come up with something better. I couldn't careless if you used it, everyone could but admit to it instead of lying. You should be in politics. Just like issues with the OL make Kanaan's blitzes work, issues with the D pathing made the screen work because the defense never ran into the backfield, they always ran right in front of the blockers and stopped but please, keep on with your lying. It's kind of enjoyable to see the crappy excuses you make.

Originally posted by David Stern
How has he not failed is the real question??????

He's in WL and you're not.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Iceman16

Originally posted by jrry32


Saying they weren't is retarded. If they weren't an exploit, why did Bort have to fix them? Please answer that.

Because they worked well? You saying putting a bunch of punting on a punter is an exploit too? Kanaan took advantage of an issue with blocking. Screens aren't taking any more advantage of something than QB runs were taking advantage of maximizing a build. A good defense is able to contain both. Always has been, and anyone that said otherwise wasn't a good enough DC to gameplan around it.

Iceman, if you're going to blatantly lie. Come up with something better. I couldn't careless if you used it, everyone could but admit to it instead of lying. You should be in politics. Just like issues with the OL make Kanaan's blitzes work, issues with the D pathing made the screen work because the defense never ran into the backfield, they always ran right in front of the blockers and stopped but please, keep on with your lying. It's kind of enjoyable to see the crappy excuses you make.

I mean, you're just wrong. I don't know how else to cut it for you.

The only argument I see about the issue is yes, you can leave in the HB to block the MLB. Which on the face of it, in my opinion means it may not be "by definition" an exploit. However my argument that if the MLB is blocked properly by the free lineman the problem would be fixed. Instead it doesn't happen which is my only argument. It would be like saying if the TE goes out on a pass, the blitzing LOLB would get a free sack EVERYTIME, but it doesn't happen, does it? That is still an extra blitzer coming in, yet he doesn't get a free sack everytime...he gets sacks, but nothing like the frequency of this play.

Listen, I understand the argument well enough...hell, this is a hardcore (although I'm not necessarily any good at it) Defensive Coordinator arguing that this play is just wrong. It's not even like I'm an OC complaining about it...I have the same option everyone else has to use it...but I do so sparingly simply because I know it's a bugged play and I don't want to win like that. And yeah, I'd like everyone to follow my own philosophy to not use plays that inherently not working right...but I am not stupid, and know it isn't going to happen

Originally posted by David Stern
He has never won anything, and with the amount of crappy coordinators/Lazy people on this game. The fact he has never put together a winning AI for any game at any level tells me just how little he truly knows, laugh all you want, but results speak for themselves. How has he not failed is the real question??????


I'm pretty sure he coordinated defense for the Radicals last season, who won a conference championship in CPL...and that's just one that I know about...Fail?

Originally posted by Iceman16
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by Iceman16


Originally posted by jrry32



Saying they weren't is retarded. If they weren't an exploit, why did Bort have to fix them? Please answer that.

Because they worked well? You saying putting a bunch of punting on a punter is an exploit too? Kanaan took advantage of an issue with blocking. Screens aren't taking any more advantage of something than QB runs were taking advantage of maximizing a build. A good defense is able to contain both. Always has been, and anyone that said otherwise wasn't a good enough DC to gameplan around it.

Iceman, if you're going to blatantly lie. Come up with something better. I couldn't careless if you used it, everyone could but admit to it instead of lying. You should be in politics. Just like issues with the OL make Kanaan's blitzes work, issues with the D pathing made the screen work because the defense never ran into the backfield, they always ran right in front of the blockers and stopped but please, keep on with your lying. It's kind of enjoyable to see the crappy excuses you make.

I mean, you're just wrong. I don't know how else to cut it for you.

From the changelog:

Oct 5, 2009
- KR return depth slider
- Cover HB/FB route left/right option for DPC
- DPC checkdowns work all the way through the list
- Flats zone players attack QB more often
- Update to coverage pathfinding: allow players to cover players behind the LOS
- Oustide Blocker VA only works on outside rushing plays (not passes)
- Zone Specialist VA deactivates at the moment Ball Hawk VA would take over (no stacking)
- Update to blocker selection algorithm on pass blocking to try and shift on overloads
- Pass blocking dynamics updated a bit; same formulas, but interaction is not quite so bouncy
- Hurries affect QB accuracy more, as does low morale
- QB rollout code updated a bit, but it's still a work in progress to get to where we really want it

Owned.

Originally posted by mwoods07
The only argument I see about the issue is yes, you can leave in the HB to block the MLB.

Right, but the linemen aren't just going to move out of the way so that a guy that's the 7th best blocker on the field can try to stop a linebacker from taking out their QB.

Originally posted by Iceman16
He's in WL and you're not.

What?

Originally posted by jrry32
From the changelog:

Oct 5, 2009
- KR return depth slider
- Cover HB/FB route left/right option for DPC
- DPC checkdowns work all the way through the list
- Flats zone players attack QB more often
- Update to coverage pathfinding: allow players to cover players behind the LOS
- Oustide Blocker VA only works on outside rushing plays (not passes)
- Zone Specialist VA deactivates at the moment Ball Hawk VA would take over (no stacking)
- Update to blocker selection algorithm on pass blocking to try and shift on overloads
- Pass blocking dynamics updated a bit; same formulas, but interaction is not quite so bouncy
- Hurries affect QB accuracy more, as does low morale
- QB rollout code updated a bit, but it's still a work in progress to get to where we really want it

Owned.

Again, if you're not a good enough DC to have been able to handle screens, that's not my problem.