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Originally posted by atm490
Originally posted by acuratl1984

Originally posted by iowastylee


Originally posted by atm490




Let me just ask this: If CatsPaw and the Bandits are so guilty of collusion, then wouldn't they do something to get a tight end that was better than level 1? Look at the depth chart... "Paul Orndorff"... level 1 third-string tight end, I think 5th string-wide receiver on rare occassions.


Short answer, not necessarily.

They picked up this POS CB also...
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=423950


Whoa man... I just created the guy. Let's not call him a POS just yet!

Thats my CB im talking about.

Originally posted by drifter
Originally posted by joemalaka

Originally posted by billyvassi


Originally posted by Ballbright



Yeah, after the original billyvassi controversy I did some research and saw that they had acquired players from that team. While I had originally tried to defend Billy, I am now of the opinion that he does need to be suspended/banned for collusion, as well as any team owner he colluded with.


Explain how trading a level 12 HB for a level 12 CB is collusion? Collusion is depleting one team to build up another team.

Inactive player was traded. That is the issue!!!

Inactive player traded to an inactive team.



Wrong again, team was completely active. You're the one without the facts. Fact - owner was completely active. That's not a debatable point. It's simply a fact.


If anyone was responsible for that team's losing record it was the GM since he admits to himself that he controlled everything and spent many "3 am nights" helping out the team yet they had a losing record.

Originally posted by Ballbright
Originally posted by methomps


So are you now accusing me of collusion?
No, absolutely not, I am saying you need to identify yourself with your team when making points rather than distancing yourself, making you look neutral by using the incorrect pronoun.

I identified myself on my first post in the thread. And I didn't use the incorrect pronoun because the accusation is against Cats and billy, not every player on the team. "We" didn't conclude because I have zero role in anything but clogging up the middle of the line. And there is very little evidence that "they" colluded.

Originally posted by


No, if you read through the thread, Billy and Catspaw gave themselves up more than once


Not really. You are conflating their intent to trade with their intent to collude.

Originally posted by billyvassi
Originally posted by joemalaka


They didn't need those other players, and would not have been upgrades at all.

A level 14 C isn't an upgrade over a level 13 C? A level 15 OLB isn't an upgrade over a level 12 OLB?


It wasn't the biggest need, and you know it. Catspaw posted what the needs were....backups. He wasn't going to bring in 1 level above C to bench the current C, and you know it.

Originally posted by Alex Wondertramp
just caught this thread...without reading everyones responses...doesnt suprise me a bit...all the cockiness covers up all the skullduggery...and also why no mention of this in the city if champions update...sounds like reportable news to me...

That is uncalled for. The last City of Champions Update was posted long before any of this happened. I'm honestly disappointed in you for stating an opinion without having read any of the evidence.

Originally posted by joemalaka
Originally posted by billyvassi

Originally posted by joemalaka



They didn't need those other players, and would not have been upgrades at all.

A level 14 C isn't an upgrade over a level 13 C? A level 15 OLB isn't an upgrade over a level 12 OLB?


It wasn't the biggest need, and you know it. Catspaw posted what the needs were....backups. He wasn't going to bring in 1 level above C to bench the current C, and you know it.

And the Level 14 CB that got traded to another team instead of to Brisbane?

Originally posted by PS3
Originally posted by drifter

Originally posted by joemalaka


Originally posted by billyvassi



Originally posted by Ballbright




Yeah, after the original billyvassi controversy I did some research and saw that they had acquired players from that team. While I had originally tried to defend Billy, I am now of the opinion that he does need to be suspended/banned for collusion, as well as any team owner he colluded with.


Explain how trading a level 12 HB for a level 12 CB is collusion? Collusion is depleting one team to build up another team.

Inactive player was traded. That is the issue!!!

Inactive player traded to an inactive team.



Wrong again, team was completely active. You're the one without the facts. Fact - owner was completely active. That's not a debatable point. It's simply a fact.


If anyone was responsible for that team's losing record it was the GM since he admits to himself that he controlled everything and spent many "3 am nights" helping out the team yet they had a losing record.



It is a debatable point. It just depends on your definition of active. Several players from the team have said that the owner was never there, and even more have said that he didn't and does not respond to any PMs. Some people may say that defines a person as 'inactive'.

Others might say that as long as somebody logs in once every three days, they're active.

So, in your opinion, based on your definition of active and inactive, you believe that the owner of the team was active.

I disagree.

Originally posted by PS3
Originally posted by billyvassi

Originally posted by Ballbright



You keep trying to get around the point with circular rationalization. You traded a player to enhance you team. It was wrong to do. You know it, everyone else knows it. Quit trying to justify it...

YOU WERE WRONG

Isn't the point of trading a player to enhance your team? You've never done that?

I traded ONE player to him.

You realize that you are upset about someone trading ONE player to a team in exchange for ONE player of equal value?


http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_game_log.pl?player_id=107275



Really? Where did he come from then?

This deserves a repost. Lies again. Two players traded, yet claim one. Horrible at covering up what was done.

Originally posted by methomps
Originally posted by joemalaka

Originally posted by billyvassi


Originally posted by joemalaka




They didn't need those other players, and would not have been upgrades at all.

A level 14 C isn't an upgrade over a level 13 C? A level 15 OLB isn't an upgrade over a level 12 OLB?


It wasn't the biggest need, and you know it. Catspaw posted what the needs were....backups. He wasn't going to bring in 1 level above C to bench the current C, and you know it.

And the Level 14 CB that got traded to another team instead of to Brisbane?

Another example of irrelevancy. What about the CB that was traded to Brisbane? Now there's a question with relevance.

Originally posted by catspaw27
Wow, that's quite a lot to digest.

I won't go on and defend anything, it's pointless. I will make two thoughts public though:

When players become available you do what you can to grab them. The only Thrasher player upset was the one who WASN'T traded away from an inactive team.

You don't air issues with other players in team forums and try to get them in trouble. Trying to create gossip is like high school. That's not what teammates do. They should be looking out for each other, not setting them up to fail.

That's it. Easy stuff. I have nothing to hide, consider myself to be an honorable owner and coach... but I can't make everyone happy.

If anyone has questions please feel free to PM me, but I won't feed the gossip machine.

You have already fed the gossip machine. You gave Drifter just a bit of a PM I sent you. You didn't give him my first PM and your first PM response to me. You left that out, making it look like I threatened you before you benched me.

Why did you do that? If you do not want to feed the gossip machine, why are you giving out incomplete information?

Originally posted by billyvassi
Originally posted by Ballbright


The intent is already proven. Billy decided at some point, whether before or after he decided to fire sale someone else's team, to better the Bandits by offering them an exclusive deal. He didn't offer the other player on the open market (a rather exhausting search of his posts will reveal that).


The ENTIRE TEAM was on the market. Extensively searching my posts won't show ANY specific player being offered. He was not made exclusive to the Bandits.

lol no they weren't some players weren't even traded. And a handful of players all specifically went onto one team.


Let's clear something up and take an example of the controversial USA Pro team the New York Gangsters:


-They had 6 players they wanted to send to the globetrotters. And everyone else of that team subsequently was gutted and went to different teams. What was the entire point of that gutting? To get those 6 players onto the globetrotters.



Same thing here, a couple teams needed a few holes to fill and they got those holes filled at the trade deadline on a team the GM is on? Come on now......... The entire team doesn't need to be shipped to one place, in often cases a good team only needs a few areas of improvement. And a few teams got those few areas of improvement combined with some random trades doesn't make it any less of collusion. Just makes it more sneaky.

And if anybody else bothered by the obvious multiple accounts that were also traded to the gutted team for players? Come on, who creates multiple accounts and spends flex points boosting them if they weren't guaranteed to get anything in return? I mean who does that if there wasn't anything to hide? That was obviously pre-planned and the GM obviously wanted to send specific players to specific teams and then threw in some random trades to make it seem like he just traded everyone to random places.


Bottom line: If it wasn't collusion, those players would've never joined the teams the GM were on in the first place

Originally posted by joemalaka

This deserves a repost. Lies again. Two players traded, yet claim one. Horrible at covering up what was done.

I admit I forgot about that guy at first. He was traded before any of this stuff happened, so I forgot about him.

But it begs the question, why didn't I trade the level 15 HB or the level 14 HB instead of a level 8 (7 at the time) guy?

PS3, why do people keep telling me a "mod" by the name of PS3 keeps PMing them?

Originally posted by Ballbright

Another example of irrelevancy. What about the CB that was traded to Brisbane? Now there's a question with relevance.

That CB was not even the highest one they could've traded.
Originally posted by PS3

lol no they weren't some players weren't even traded. And a handful of players all specifically went onto one team.


Let's clear something up and take an example of the controversial USA Pro team the New York Gangsters:


-They had 6 players they wanted to send to the globetrotters. And everyone else of that team subsequently was gutted and went to different teams. What was the entire point of that gutting? To get those 6 players onto the globetrotters.



Same thing here, a couple teams needed a few holes to fill and they got those holes filled at the trade deadline on a team the GM is on? Come on now......... The entire team doesn't need to be shipped to one place, in often cases a good team only needs a few areas of improvement. And a few teams got those few areas of improvement combined with some random trades doesn't make it any less of collusion. Just makes it more sneaky.

And if anybody else bothered by the obvious multiple accounts that were also traded to the gutted team for players? Come on, who creates multiple accounts and spends flex points boosting them if they weren't guaranteed to get anything in return? I mean who does that if there wasn't anything to hide? That was obviously pre-planned and the GM obviously wanted to send specific players to specific teams and then threw in some random trades.


Bottom line: If it wasn't collusion, those players would've never joined the teams the GM were on in the first place




Wait, are you suggesting that to get a small move (backups for backups) billy and catspaw colluded to nuke an entire team? This is getting absurd.

Let me try to point this out in a different way.

What if I PMd Vilita (canberra Strike Owner, as two of my players)about trading my lvl 17 G and C ( on the GBR Sharks where I'm owner)...and offered to take an inactive player back in return?

Would the Bandits be upset? You're damn right they would be. It would be colluding, whether Vilita knew or not what I was doing. Because I was using my position on both teams to better one team at the expense of another. It doesn't take two "people" to collude here, it only takes one person with position on two teams.