Warrior General Games

Originally posted by DL24
Originally posted by butler312

Originally posted by DL24


50 Carrying is extremely low if you are handling the ball multiple times in a pro league. I'd have it to at least 61, if not 68, since you're facing defenders with at least 60+ Strength and 60-70 Tackling.

If he has a build prone to fumbling as you claim, then why did he not fumble again the rest of the season?

What player was he even talking about? His only WR is in Canadian AAA, and didn't return any kicks or punts the last few seasons.

Ah, it was in Season 9. First off, your player's team was HOPELESSLY outmatched, losing by nearly 100 points.

Take, for example, the first fumble. Nearly every one of your blockers was reverse pancaked. You had 8 unblocked defenders running at you, with all your blockers on the ground: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3960651

This time, your blockers didn't get put on the ground, they just couldn't hold a block: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3960651

At least nine blockers on the ground at the same time, plus a monster hit on your guy: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3964519

Seven blockers reverse-pancaked at the same time, plus a monster hit: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3962911

5 guys reverse-pancaked: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3963360

Actually decent blocking on the first one, but a monster hit tackle: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3959650

Dexter Ferocious forced one of your fumbles. He probably had invested pretty heavily in monster hit and went on to force 4 other fumbles in non-gutted games that season.

Sloth Fratelli forced 2 of them. He had invested in monster hit and had a pretty clear path straight to your guy.

Jacke Dupp also forced a couple. He forced 9 other fumbles in all contests that season, excluding gut jobs.

South Side Midget Tosser also had four other forced fumbles that season, besides the one he forced on you.

It appears that your case of fumble-itis was due almost totally to terrible blocking and bad strength from STs blockers, bad stamina on your part and your whole team's part, lowish carrying for a returner(and probably low strength), and a very strong LBs, who forced many fumbles that season, and throughout their careers. All these things combined formed somewhat of a STs beast, which your particular WR became the victim of. You can't possibly point solely to a previous turnover increased percentage as the only factor, or the deciding factor.

Originally posted by Jed
Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader


You ALLEGE that confidence is the biggest factor. The OP believes otherwise. I lean that way as well.

OK, I see how this works now. 0 proof required, a random guess is good enough proof?



You're now asserting that you've read the code? Or are you ready to admit that your assumptions are no different than anyone else's as to what is and what isn't in the sim's code?

Originally posted by DL24
Originally posted by DL24

Originally posted by butler312


Originally posted by DL24



50 Carrying is extremely low if you are handling the ball multiple times in a pro league. I'd have it to at least 61, if not 68, since you're facing defenders with at least 60+ Strength and 60-70 Tackling.

If he has a build prone to fumbling as you claim, then why did he not fumble again the rest of the season?

What player was he even talking about? His only WR is in Canadian AAA, and didn't return any kicks or punts the last few seasons.

Ah, it was in Season 9. First off, your player's team was HOPELESSLY outmatched, losing by nearly 100 points.

Take, for example, the first fumble. Nearly every one of your blockers was reverse pancaked. You had 8 unblocked defenders running at you, with all your blockers on the ground: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3960651

This time, your blockers didn't get put on the ground, they just couldn't hold a block: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3960651

At least nine blockers on the ground at the same time, plus a monster hit on your guy: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3964519

Seven blockers reverse-pancaked at the same time, plus a monster hit: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3962911

5 guys reverse-pancaked: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3963360

Actually decent blocking on the first one, but a monster hit tackle: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3959650

Dexter Ferocious forced one of your fumbles. He probably had invested pretty heavily in monster hit and went on to force 4 other fumbles in non-gutted games that season.

Sloth Fratelli forced 2 of them. He had invested in monster hit and had a pretty clear path straight to your guy.

Jacke Dupp also forced a couple. He forced 9 other fumbles in all contests that season, excluding gut jobs.

South Side Midget Tosser also had four other forced fumbles that season, besides the one he forced on you.

It appears that your case of fumble-itis was due almost totally to terrible blocking and bad strength from STs blockers, bad stamina on your part and your whole team's part, lowish carrying for a returner(and probably low strength), and a very strong LBs, who forced many fumbles that season, and throughout their careers. All these things combined formed somewhat of a STs beast, which your particular WR became the victim of. You can't possibly point solely to a previous turnover increased percentage as the only factor, or the deciding factor.

Not to mention, that is the Fumbling making machine of a team I am refering too. They had some killer builds that were designed just for that reason.

can we just let this thread die again like we did 4 months ago?

why was it resurrected? Isn't that a no-no in the forums?

Originally posted by driftinggrifter
YOu get pissed and call people trolls because of their differing nature to your opinion and the fact that they will actually debate with you? Brilliant. Guess, for all your supposed smarts, you haven't figured out how to be the bigger person and actually debate or even go as far as ignoring the people that disagree with you? Without trying to insult people.

1) You're not debating me. You're saying "Confidence! Confidence! Confidence!" over and over again. That's not a debate, that's a broken record. If you had something intelligent to add, then I would honestly be interested. Unfortunately it seems like you don't.

2) You can't credibly complain about someone putting other people down when you do so with regularity. Seriously, you do it all the time.

Originally posted by Chysil
can we just let this thread die again like we did 4 months ago?

why was it resurrected? Isn't that a no-no in the forums?

Pretty much why it died then.
JD wanted to resurface it for some odd reason without linking any proof that it was going on when he did it.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by driftinggrifter

YOu get pissed and call people trolls because of their differing nature to your opinion and the fact that they will actually debate with you? Brilliant. Guess, for all your supposed smarts, you haven't figured out how to be the bigger person and actually debate or even go as far as ignoring the people that disagree with you? Without trying to insult people.

1) You're not debating me. You're saying "Confidence! Confidence! Confidence!" over and over again. That's not a debate, that's a broken record. If you had something intelligent to add, then I would honestly be interested. Unfortunately it seems like you don't.

2) You can't credibly complain about someone putting other people down when you do so with regularity. Seriously, you do it all the time.



I do it all the time?
Then you should have no problems with proof that I do it all the time. Srsly.
If you had the confidence, then you would prove me wrong. Low confidence IMO.

Originally posted by DL24
Ah, it was in Season 9. First off, your player's team was HOPELESSLY outmatched, losing by nearly 100 points.
Losing by a huge margin is generally what happens when the sim causes you to have 12 turnovers in one game. And please check your facts before posting. That "hopelessly outmatched" team made the playoffs by winning 10 of their next 15 games in that Pro League. And as noted earlier, the WR in question had zero fumbles the rest of that season. 6 in one game, then 0 in the next fifteen.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by DL24

Ah, it was in Season 9. First off, your player's team was HOPELESSLY outmatched, losing by nearly 100 points.
Losing by a huge margin is generally what happens when the sim causes you to have 12 turnovers in one game. And please check your facts before posting. That "hopelessly outmatched" team made the playoffs by winning 10 of their next 15 games in that Pro League. And as noted earlier, the WR in question had zero fumbles the rest of that season. 6 in one game, then 0 in the next fifteen.

Please check this post for my complete thoughts, and facts gathered from a tiny bit of digging, which is apparently too difficult for some people:
Originally posted by DL24

Ah, it was in Season 9. First off, your player's team was HOPELESSLY outmatched, losing by nearly 100 points.

Take, for example, the first fumble. Nearly every one of your blockers was reverse pancaked. You had 8 unblocked defenders running at you, with all your blockers on the ground: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3960651

This time, your blockers didn't get put on the ground, they just couldn't hold a block: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3960651

At least nine blockers on the ground at the same time, plus a monster hit on your guy: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3964519

Seven blockers reverse-pancaked at the same time, plus a monster hit: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3962911

5 guys reverse-pancaked: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3963360

Actually decent blocking on the first one, but a monster hit tackle: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477042&pbp_id=3959650

Dexter Ferocious forced one of your fumbles. He probably had invested pretty heavily in monster hit and went on to force 4 other fumbles in non-gutted games that season.

Sloth Fratelli forced 2 of them. He had invested in monster hit and had a pretty clear path straight to your guy.

Jacke Dupp also forced a couple. He forced 9 other fumbles in all contests that season, excluding gut jobs.

South Side Midget Tosser also had four other forced fumbles that season, besides the one he forced on you.

It appears that your case of fumble-itis was due almost totally to terrible blocking and bad strength from STs blockers, bad stamina on your part and your whole team's part, lowish carrying for a returner(and probably low strength), and a very strong LBs, who forced many fumbles that season, and throughout their careers. All these things combined formed somewhat of a STs beast, which your particular WR became the victim of. You can't possibly point solely to a previous turnover increased percentage as the only factor, or the deciding factor.
Not to mention the fact that this team was an absolute fumble-forcing machine, and overall juggernaut, and that they won the Pro League championship that season.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by DL24

Ah, it was in Season 9. First off, your player's team was HOPELESSLY outmatched, losing by nearly 100 points.
Losing by a huge margin is generally what happens when the sim causes you to have 12 turnovers in one game. And please check your facts before posting. That "hopelessly outmatched" team made the playoffs by winning 10 of their next 15 games in that Pro League. And as noted earlier, the WR in question had zero fumbles the rest of that season. 6 in one game, then 0 in the next fifteen.

And as I noted earlier, that team, BLPP, was made exactly for that.

Originally posted by DL24
Originally posted by butler312

Originally posted by DL24


50 Carrying is extremely low if you are handling the ball multiple times in a pro league. I'd have it to at least 61, if not 68, since you're facing defenders with at least 60+ Strength and 60-70 Tackling.

If he has a build prone to fumbling as you claim, then why did he not fumble again the rest of the season?

What player was he even talking about? His only WR is in Canadian AAA, and didn't return any kicks or punts the last few seasons.

This guy - http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=238563

In this game - http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=477042

Originally posted by jdbolick
No, here's how it works: If confidence was the answer that you claim, then you would attempt to produce some kind of mathematical model or even just basic evidence that high confidence prevents these results.

You're the one challenging the status quo, the burden of proof is on you.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Dude, you're the only one who believes that. Seriously, ask around. You are viewed as a guy who insulted PierreThomas, locked his thread, and did everything possible to disrupt his attempt to prove the existence of the X-factor. You repeatedly insisted that he was full of crap and that the answer was confidence. If not for Deathblade stopping you and proving you wrong, we probably never would have gotten a supposed fix for that "problem." And he's the one who got Bort to do something, not you. You locked the thread and only brought it to Bort's attention after Deathblade embarrassed your intolerance and lack of knowledge.

Wow you have an amazing ability there. Is it delusion or lies? I honestly can't tell if you actually believe the crap you spew out as "fact" or not. Moving on....


Response to request for proof:

Originally posted by jdbolick
I don't know what community college you attended, but they obviously didn't have a course on mathematical modeling. If you're interested, I can recommend some books that would teach you a thing or two.

So I take that as "I have no real proof, so I'm going to take the offensive"

Originally posted by jdbolick
Again, this has happened to players with high confidence, and it is not more common among players with low confidence. If confidence was such a huge factor in this phenomenon, then those two things would not be true.

Yet here's the only thing you can manage to put in your OP: "Here is what currently happens: (note that these percentages are theoretical and should not be considered accurate)"

Stop making yourself look foolish. Show some proof of your theory or go away.

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
You're now asserting that you've read the code? Or are you ready to admit that your assumptions are no different than anyone else's as to what is and what isn't in the sim's code?


I'm asserting that Bort has said, and is in the description of Confidence for HBs, that Confidence causes this. If you want to challenge that, show solid evidence or go away.







Is my stance really that hard to figure out? I'm not going to believe a theory someone puts out without proof. If you want to be taken seriously, put some proof together (and I don't mean say "it happens all the time!").

BLPP same season
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=476859 FF 4x

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=476868 FF 7x

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=476867 FF 5x

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=476870 FF 4x

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=476872 FF 3x

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=476874 FF 3x

Playoffs
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=578595 FF3x

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=583709 FF 2x

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=585738 FF 3x

please... just let this thread die again... it was the best part of the thread last time

edit: and I believe BLPP had players built specifically for special teams... hard to hold on when you have probably 30-50 str and 30-50 carrying vs 100+ strength and 60+ tackling center that has 200 pounds on you going at full speed.

I clicked the first 4 games and only 1 was true for amount of fumbles listed and the HB's build isn't open.