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Originally posted by FairForever

I see what it is, but I also see the alternative as much worse. Players being forced to play with owners they don't know, etc.

How would you feel if monkey sold the team without telling you, another guy bought it, held your players hostage, and removed you from GM?

It's not an either/or issue.

There has been one EXCELLENT alternative suggested (making all contracts default so that they end after the last game of that season) and if the 40 man lroter limit is instituted then even that might not be necessary.

The problem in discussing this with you is you don't ever bother to take into account any opinion but your own and the mods that you spend all your time defending.

Originally posted by purehatred
Originally posted by FairForever


I see what it is, but I also see the alternative as much worse. Players being forced to play with owners they don't know, etc.

How would you feel if monkey sold the team without telling you, another guy bought it, held your players hostage, and removed you from GM?

It's not an either/or issue.

There has been one EXCELLENT alternative suggested (making all contracts default so that they end after the last game of that season) and if the 40 man lroter limit is instituted then even that might not be necessary.

The problem in discussing this with you is you don't ever bother to take into account any opinion but your own and the mods that you spend all your time defending.

Because maybe we have more experience with this? It's happened in the past, a disgruntled or burned-out owner leaves the team, another takes over, and the team is screwed. The reason we were alpha testers is that we played other games. Situations such as these have come up in the past before. Maybe, just maybe, you fail to realize to actual repercussions of not releasing players before relinquishing ownership. The fact is, it destroys enjoyment of the game for those on the team and it hurts the bottom line for the makers of the game. No one benefits from such a system.

Your suggestions do not alleviate the problem that some people may have to wait. What if it's a multi-season deal? I do agree with the contracts ending at end of season, but not because of this "problem". Because there isn't one.

The 40 man roster limit just means signing a bunch of CPU players to the team.

Once again, you didn't answer the question. How would you feel if monkey sold the team without telling you, another guy bought it, held your players hostage, and removed you from GM?

Or do I even need to ask for the answer?

I am on the Mozilla Firefox team after it was gutted. the new owner, cwrujosh, is not a shitty owner. in fact we won our 2 games since the gutting...

Point is if that team wasnt gutted and he took over they could have had a good shot at the playoffs. BUT instead they left with teh shady owner to go to another team cause they had a better record.

Originally posted by FairForever
Originally posted by purehatred

Originally posted by FairForever



I see what it is, but I also see the alternative as much worse. Players being forced to play with owners they don't know, etc.

How would you feel if monkey sold the team without telling you, another guy bought it, held your players hostage, and removed you from GM?

It's not an either/or issue.

There has been one EXCELLENT alternative suggested (making all contracts default so that they end after the last game of that season) and if the 40 man lroter limit is instituted then even that might not be necessary.

The problem in discussing this with you is you don't ever bother to take into account any opinion but your own and the mods that you spend all your time defending.

Because maybe we have more experience with this? It's happened in the past, a disgruntled or burned-out owner leaves the team, another takes over, and the team is screwed. The reason we were alpha testers is that we played other games. Situations such as these have come up in the past before. Maybe, just maybe, you fail to realize to actual repercussions of not releasing players before relinquishing ownership. The fact is, it destroys enjoyment of the game for those on the team and it hurts the bottom line for the makers of the game. No one benefits from such a system.

Your suggestions do not alleviate the problem that some people may have to wait. What if it's a multi-season deal? I do agree with the contracts ending at end of season, but not because of this "problem". Because there isn't one.

The 40 man roster limit just means signing a bunch of CPU players to the team.

Once again, you didn't answer the question. How would you feel if monkey sold the team without telling you, another guy bought it, held your players hostage, and removed you from GM?

Or do I even need to ask for the answer?

BullShit. with a capital B and a S. stop with the BS story about how new owners suck. That last owner for the Mozilla Firefox team was SOOOOOOOOOO great that the team was 3-7. get your head out of you ass so we dont have to hear the bullshit your spewing.

Originally posted by Whatsdafus

BullShit. with a capital B and a S. stop with the BS story about how new owners suck. That last owner for the Mozilla Firefox team was SOOOOOOOOOO great that the team was 3-7. get your head out of you ass so we dont have to hear the bullshit your spewing.

I'm not talking about managing ability. I have no idea whether xuchal was a good tactician. I don't even know him. I'm saying that he developed relationships with the players, and a sense of trust. That does not exist with a new owner.

And xuchal released the players, not traded them. They most likely ended up in different places. Again, Bort already posted in this thread. Read.

Couple of questions:

Why is the assumption that new owners will be bad?

Why should players on teams that are sold have any more protection from bad owners than anyone else in the game?

Originally posted by FairForever
Because maybe we have more experience with this? It's happened in the past, a disgruntled or burned-out owner leaves the team, another takes over, and the team is screwed. The reason we were alpha testers is that we played other games. Situations such as these have come up in the past before.

From what I've seen , I'm not that impressed by most of the alpha testers or the mods. Sorry.

They seemed to use all that experience to find ways to bend as many rules as posssible and then use their position to defend each other to the point where it's impossible to have any kind of legitimate discussion.

Originally posted by
The fact is, it destroys enjoyment of the game for those on the team and it hurts the bottom line for the makers of the game. No one benefits from such a system

Your suggestions do not alleviate the problem that some people may have to wait. What if it's a multi-season deal?

Chjange in ownership, then all contracts default to ending at the end of the season. That's the suggestion. Worst case scenario, an owner quits one game into the season and the player has to play ONE SEASON for an owner he doesn't know.

That isn't that bad. Especially considering the tons of posts by players trapped on team with bad or inactive owners. But somehow THESE players need to be rescued???

Originally posted by
I do agree with the contracts ending at end of season, but not because of this "problem". Because there isn't one.

O well..as long as you say so...

Originally posted by
Once again, you didn't answer the question. How would you feel if monkey sold the team without telling you, another guy bought it, held your players hostage, and removed you from GM?

If my contract defaulted so that it ended at the end of the year, I'd be irritated for the week and a half (or so) it took until I was able to leave the team. And meanwhile I'd make myself productive by talking to prospective new teams.

Originally posted by FairForever
Originally posted by Whatsdafus


BullShit. with a capital B and a S. stop with the BS story about how new owners suck. That last owner for the Mozilla Firefox team was SOOOOOOOOOO great that the team was 3-7. get your head out of you ass so we dont have to hear the bullshit your spewing.

I'm not talking about managing ability. I have no idea whether xuchal was a good tactician. I don't even know him. I'm saying that he developed relationships with the players, and a sense of trust. That does not exist with a new owner.

And xuchal released the players, not traded them. They most likely ended up in different places. Again, Bort already posted in this thread. Read.


I call bullshit again

They left cause he was like ok guys this team sucks this year, im leaving, who wants to go too...

In the players head... "Hmmm team sucks, we are 3-7, no shot at the playoffs... Im gonna stay". Hells no. they left cause they were given the chance to be FA's again and not honoring their contracts to that team.

Now if there were limits to how many human players can be released in a day that shit wouldnt have happen.

Originally posted by Whatsdafus
Originally posted by FairForever

Originally posted by Whatsdafus



BullShit. with a capital B and a S. stop with the BS story about how new owners suck. That last owner for the Mozilla Firefox team was SOOOOOOOOOO great that the team was 3-7. get your head out of you ass so we dont have to hear the bullshit your spewing.

I'm not talking about managing ability. I have no idea whether xuchal was a good tactician. I don't even know him. I'm saying that he developed relationships with the players, and a sense of trust. That does not exist with a new owner.

And xuchal released the players, not traded them. They most likely ended up in different places. Again, Bort already posted in this thread. Read.


I call bullshit again

They left cause he was like ok guys this team sucks this year, im leaving, who wants to go too...

In the players head... "Hmmm team sucks, we are 3-7, no shot at the playoffs... Im gonna stay". Hells no. they left cause they were given the chance to be FA's again and not honoring their contracts to that team.

Now if there were limits to how many human players can be released in a day that shit wouldnt have happen.

If there were limits to how many human players can be released in a day, it would just draw out the process! Is that what you really want?

You're making an assumption as well. If Tim Harper were to stop managing, I'd ask for a release. I don't care if we were undefeated to that point. xuchal may have decided not to manage because the results weren't worth the effort he had to put in, but you can't say that was the only reason the players left. If the team was 7-3, and xuchal had to leave due to time issues, I'd bet that most players would leave too rather than stick with a random new owner.

I'm surprised the Atlantic City Blackjack aren't getting any flak for what they are doing, especially since it's doubly worse that they haven't sold the team for someone to try and rebuild. Oh, I guess it's because Valentine wasn't an Alpha Tester?

Originally posted by wombat killer
Couple of questions:

Why is the assumption that new owners will be bad?

Why should players on teams that are sold have any more protection from bad owners than anyone else in the game?

Because you always assume the worst. Often, there is a good owner who is well-intentioned. But if a bad one comes in, you're screwed for a month at least.

Because players on teams that are sold signed with a different owner. One who was trustworthy. On the other hand, if you stupidly sign with a mediocre owner, whose fault is it but your own?

Originally posted by FairForever
Originally posted by Whatsdafus

Originally posted by FairForever


Originally posted by Whatsdafus




BullShit. with a capital B and a S. stop with the BS story about how new owners suck. That last owner for the Mozilla Firefox team was SOOOOOOOOOO great that the team was 3-7. get your head out of you ass so we dont have to hear the bullshit your spewing.

I'm not talking about managing ability. I have no idea whether xuchal was a good tactician. I don't even know him. I'm saying that he developed relationships with the players, and a sense of trust. That does not exist with a new owner.

And xuchal released the players, not traded them. They most likely ended up in different places. Again, Bort already posted in this thread. Read.


I call bullshit again

They left cause he was like ok guys this team sucks this year, im leaving, who wants to go too...

In the players head... "Hmmm team sucks, we are 3-7, no shot at the playoffs... Im gonna stay". Hells no. they left cause they were given the chance to be FA's again and not honoring their contracts to that team.

Now if there were limits to how many human players can be released in a day that shit wouldnt have happen.

If there were limits to how many human players can be released in a day, it would just draw out the process! Is that what you really want?

You're making an assumption as well. If Tim Harper were to stop managing, I'd ask for a release. I don't care if we were undefeated to that point. xuchal may have decided not to manage because the results weren't worth the effort he had to put in, but you can't say that was the only reason the players left. If the team was 7-3, and xuchal had to leave due to time issues, I'd bet that most players would leave too rather than stick with a random new owner.

I'm surprised the Atlantic City Blackjack aren't getting any flak for what they are doing, especially since it's doubly worse that they haven't sold the team for someone to try and rebuild. Oh, I guess it's because Valentine wasn't an Alpha Tester?



Riiiiiiiiight.....

No, if the guy wanted to leave he wouldnt wait 20 days to release all 40+ players. (2 to 3 human players released limit a day). he would release a few till he found an owner. This would protect the league and the team in question. PLUS as good lil soldiers, people would see the releases and warn bort/dd, a mod or post in forums that this was infact being done and they could step in.

With the new owner in place a team then has resources to either move the unhappy people and get people who do want to play in return.

Originally posted by FairForever
If there were limits to how many human players can be released in a day, it would just draw out the process! Is that what you really want?

Um...yes. That's the point. Then at least that team would be competitive while the dismantling takes place

Originally posted by
I'm surprised the Atlantic City Blackjack aren't getting any flak for what they are doing, especially since it's doubly worse that they haven't sold the team for someone to try and rebuild. Oh, I guess it's because Valentine wasn't an Alpha Tester?



One, I think it's probably because he quit the team in the same period when everyone was still arguing about the New York Gangsters merger.

And two, Valentine left because he had major issues with something Tim Harper did. If he's that unhappy with the game and the way it's managed, I don't exactly blame him for bailing.

Originally posted by FairForever


Because players on teams that are sold signed with a different owner. One who was trustworthy. On the other hand, if you stupidly sign with a mediocre owner, whose fault is it but your own?

That is just plain stupid. Let's say someone new to the game joins and doesn't know anyone. Let's say they do all the possible checking they can on new owners. Everything seems fine. They sign and then things turn for the worse and what they thought was a good owner turns out to be horrible.

Are you suggesting they should have used their ESP abilities better?

Originally posted by FairForever
Because you always assume the worst. Often, there is a good owner who is well-intentioned. But if a bad one comes in, you're screwed for a month at least.

Your math is screwy. It's a month, worst case scenario, if your owner sells after the first game.

In this particular case, it would've been 12 days with a new owner.

Originally posted by purehatred
One, I think it's probably because he quit the team in the same period when everyone was still arguing about the New York Gangsters merger.

And two, Valentine left because he had major issues with something Tim Harper did. If he's that unhappy with the game and the way it's managed, I don't exactly blame him for bailing.

Hurray double-standards!

Originally posted by purehatred
From what I've seen , I'm not that impressed by most of the alpha testers or the mods. Sorry.

They seemed to use all that experience to find ways to bend as many rules as posssible and then use their position to defend each other to the point where it's impossible to have any kind of legitimate discussion.

Double hurray, I'm doubly-evil!

Sorry I didn't post here before, I was too busy waxing my mustache, getting a new, black top-hat, and tying women to railroad tracks. Tim Harper helped with that last part.