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Wow this thread has come a long way. I read most of it, but stopped when it went personal attack.

The basic jist it seems is that DEs aren't broken if you have a perfect build. Something like:

Speed 80+
Agility 100+
lots of first step, change direction, shed block, and tunnel vision.

If you don't have that you're broken. You simply won't perform well against even poorly built OTs for your level range.

Oh well.. I may keep my DEs, but I probably will stop boosting them. It seems like a waste of money now. There's no way I can get that much speed and agility now. I put too much in strength, tackling, vision, and a little in stamina.

Originally posted by riccor25
Wow this thread has come a long way. I read most of it, but stopped when it went personal attack.

The basic jist it seems is that DEs aren't broken if you have a perfect build. Something like:

Speed 80+
Agility 100+
lots of first step, change direction, shed block, and tunnel vision.

If you don't have that you're broken. You simply won't perform well against even poorly built OTs for your level range.

Oh well.. I may keep my DEs, but I probably will stop boosting them. It seems like a waste of money now. There's no way I can get that much speed and agility now. I put too much in strength, tackling, vision, and a little in stamina.

more like 100 speed, 60 agility, High FS and TV

bummer...

Even if you do have it...they're broken.

naa my DE doesn't have 100+ anything nor a high amount of any SA and he still produces vs equal competition. Not like an elite DE but he produces like an average DE. He has about 6 sacks in 11 games vs non gutted teams and he is far from a perfect build.

a few too many players focus too much on attributes.

Originally posted by BiggerBlue
Yes, don't. Instead be like puppy here and just talk out of his ass, a place he likes to sniff himself.

Thanks for the insights.


Cool now let's talk about how I have 0 in strong base and wall.

sounds like we are all in the same boat.

Originally posted by Tymkin
sounds like we are all in the same boat.

We are...

...but some deluded fools are polishing the brass on the Titanic

Originally posted by bluto
Originally posted by Tymkin

sounds like we are all in the same boat.

We are...

...but some deluded fools are polishing the brass on the Titanic

Oh, Mr. "please be nice and kind" on the net is dishing out personal insults.

Where is Popeye when you need him?

The mask is finally off. Another hypocrite exposed. LOL

Anyway Tymkin. If you want to be rational and sane you can join the few of us that have actually work some progress towards Bort's mods. There is no reason to think Bort will screw with the DEs again and this is probably his last major nerf for awhile, so it's worth the time to test out what we've already figured out.

But, on the other hand, you can join the cry babies whiners... er... I mean "less motivated" faces like bluto here that will simply cry... er.. I mean "discuss" that DE should dominate and put up sacks with minimal effort.

Of course I don't get the fact that what do they want from a game like GLB which is trial-and-error, and by the virtue of BETA it means the programmers will constantly change things around. Some seasons it's ok to just major on spd/agi and minor on everything else, but others (like this season) are not. Some seasons all you need is FS and TV SAs, but it seems like this season Bort has rework the algorithm to make Wall, Strong Base, and Shed Block work better.

Finally, these idiotic fools... er... sorry I meant "intellectually challenged" refuse to witness the improvements in play-by-play, but instead will just read the final score and declare: "shit, it's 0 sacks, that means my DE is worthless and Bort's nerf sucks"

Originally posted by BiggerBlue
Originally posted by bluto

Originally posted by Tymkin


sounds like we are all in the same boat.

We are...

...but some deluded fools are polishing the brass on the Titanic

Oh, Mr. "please be nice and kind" on the net is dishing out personal insults.

Where is Popeye when you need him?

The mask is finally off. Another hypocrite exposed. LOL

Anyway Tymkin. If you want to be rational and sane you can join the few of us that have actually work some progress towards Bort's mods. There is no reason to think Bort will screw with the DEs again and this is probably his last major nerf for awhile, so it's worth the time to test out what we've already figured out.

But, on the other hand, you can join the cry babies whiners... er... I mean "less motivated" faces like bluto here that will simply cry... er.. I mean "discuss" that DE should dominate and put up sacks with minimal effort.

Of course I don't get the fact that what do they want from a game like GLB which is trial-and-error, and by the virtue of BETA it means the programmers will constantly change things around. Some seasons it's ok to just major on spd/agi and minor on everything else, but others (like this season) are not. Some seasons all you need is FS and TV SAs, but it seems like this season Bort has rework the algorithm to make Wall, Strong Base, and Shed Block work better.

Finally, these idiotic fools... er... sorry I meant "intellectually challenged" refuse to witness the improvements in play-by-play, but instead will just read the final score and declare: "shit, it's 0 sacks, that means my DE is worthless and Bort's nerf sucks"






Did he mention anybody specifically? No... so who did he personally insult?

Who says that there's no reason to think that there won't be another nerf?

Where did anyone say that we should get sacks with minimal effort?

Who specifically is major spd/agi and minor everything else that you keep bringing up?

Which improvements in play by play?

Originally posted by Nodd
I guess it's pretty tough for a lvl 38 DE to tear up a BBB league

sure. either way he has had his chances against gutted teams as well. Where my guy is putting up 24, he is putting up 7. look at it how you want to. Mine is certainly better than his. and If you're on board with his strong base and wall theory. have fun with that.

Originally posted by BiggerBlue
Originally posted by bluto

Originally posted by Tymkin


sounds like we are all in the same boat.

We are...

...but some deluded fools are polishing the brass on the Titanic

Oh, Mr. "please be nice and kind" on the net is dishing out personal insults.

Where is Popeye when you need him?

The mask is finally off. Another hypocrite exposed. LOL

Anyway Tymkin. If you want to be rational and sane you can join the few of us that have actually work some progress towards Bort's mods. There is no reason to think Bort will screw with the DEs again and this is probably his last major nerf for awhile, so it's worth the time to test out what we've already figured out.

But, on the other hand, you can join the cry babies whiners... er... I mean "less motivated" faces like bluto here that will simply cry... er.. I mean "discuss" that DE should dominate and put up sacks with minimal effort.

Of course I don't get the fact that what do they want from a game like GLB which is trial-and-error, and by the virtue of BETA it means the programmers will constantly change things around. Some seasons it's ok to just major on spd/agi and minor on everything else, but others (like this season) are not. Some seasons all you need is FS and TV SAs, but it seems like this season Bort has rework the algorithm to make Wall, Strong Base, and Shed Block work better.

Finally, these idiotic fools... er... sorry I meant "intellectually challenged" refuse to witness the improvements in play-by-play, but instead will just read the final score and declare: "shit, it's 0 sacks, that means my DE is worthless and Bort's nerf sucks"



umm i watch all the replays and i can say with absolutely certainty that my DE is worthless on passing downs. he's got 70+ base strength and is heavily invested in strong base and shed block, along with 105+ agility and 67 speed. but i guess i'll just watch your DE and figure out what i'm doing wrong.

Originally posted by
umm i watch all the replays and i can say with absolutely certainty that my DE is worthless on passing downs. he's got 70+ base strength and is heavily invested in strong base and shed block, along with 105+ agility and 67 speed. but i guess i'll just watch your DE and figure out what i'm doing wrong.

Your not doing anything wrong, it is the code this season. If you believe BB then please send me 1,000 to cover the transaction fee to get my money out of escro in Nigeria, I'll send you 10,000 once it clears the bank.

its ALL about First step and Speed this season
i have low agility for a lvl 33 DE and yet i can still get sacks against OT few levels higher/lower than me.

so Speed and First step will do the trick
first cap str will help