Warrior General Games

Originally posted by snakes22
that much better for inside rush situations.. we get outside and pancake dots, that's what we do.. I wish they had more speed, pancake and power blocker.. no overpower..
You're being stubbornly stupid again. +15% bonus to strength when holding blocks helps a lot more than +4.5% strength from Workout Warrior for any team that runs a lot. Asau averages 1.10 pancakes per rushing attempt, which is good, but that's only taking out one defender and leaving the rest of the defense dependent upon your ability to hold run blocks. And for the record, Grand Banks is averaging 1.23 pancakes per rushing attempt with no Workout Warrior on any of our dots.

seems many of you dont understand the pancake system. its actually really easy to roll up a ton of pancakes. however that strategy doesnt equal winning game in and game out as a strategy resulting in far less pancakes. thus judging a team these days by pancakes is really more about how often a team runs bi sweep left and probably qb gl run left.

maybe if more of you understood how pancakes work you could use the morale strategy to benefit.

Bhall is a waffle guy

awful waffle awful waffle

Originally posted by snakes22
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2535423
powerhouse, fu agility

Originally posted by jdbolick

It is annoying that your build and my build have such similar results in both pancakes and pressure allowed: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=3817143 I wonder how much OL builds even matter.

For my own comparison, my dot who was in WL in 35 (thanks toJD and Cern et al!). He's in between the 145 Str and 168 at 151 (no WW) and also in Agility at 100 compared to 89 and 112. He is the high in Blocking in a narrow range from 99 to 103.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2542392

By comparison in Season 35 through 6 world league games he had 15 Pancakes, and allowed 3 hurries, 0 sacks in 294 plays, meaning one pancake for every 19.6 plays, and a hurry every other game.

Snake's guy has allowed 2 and 4 sacks in that time frame but tossed aside 37 defenders in 255 plays, meaning a pancake every 7.2 plays and a hurry or sack every game.

And JDs gave up 4 sacks and got 34 pancakes in 367 plays, or a sack every 10.79 plays and two sacks every three games.

Not an easy comparison since my guy has different SA lay outs, and the Miracle were 1-5 after six compared to 5-1 for the other two.

But that said,

Pancake - My guy had 10 in it compared to 1 for the other two, yet he has the lowest Pancake Rate. So Pancake = Crap SA?

Strength - My guy had the middle ground in Strength but the lowest Pancake Rate. So Strength = LOL Attribute?

Revcakes - My Guy and JDs were both revcaked 2 times, Snakes zilch, so Strength matters for Revcakes?

Agility - My guy was middle of the road in Agility but gave up the fewest sacks, JD highest game up middle - Agility = So So Pass D?

Blocking - Highest Blocking lowest Sacks lowest cakes - Blocking = Key for Pass D, LOL for Rush D?

First Step - I Had 10, lowest Pass D, Lowest Cakes = First Step Helps with Pass D but not Run D?

Shock Block - I had none, you all had 10, I had best pass D = Shock Block = Crap SA?

Intimidation - You all had it, I had none, and my team morale was probably worse due to losses = Morale Key To Pancakes?

Cut Block - I had 10, you had none. Not sure what this means, is a thrown Cut Block a Pancake? If so Crap SA.

Get Low, VAs etc, hard to figure out the OTs effect on rushing plays so hard to compare these.

Originally posted by snakes22
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2535423
powerhouse, fu agility

This must be why Boozer keeps delivering me Oline with no speed.

Originally posted by foshizzel17
since when does Bull Rusher include equipment?

Bull rusher is OP cuz it includes equipment + strength altering VA's. Thought this was common knowledge?

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Bull rusher is OP cuz it includes equipment + strength altering VA's. Thought this was common knowledge?

Yeah there's no way it couldn't, it's not boosting strength, it's boosting strength's part of the roll. Since the roll obviously includes EQ and attribute VAs.....

It easily could not include equipment. I'm not sure why it does, to be honest.

Originally posted by jdbolick
It easily could not include equipment. I'm not sure why it does, to be honest.

Yeah it's def a circuitous route to a strength bonus. I wonder if it was Bort's way of not providing a strength bonus to making a tackle while also being blocked.

Originally posted by yello1
For my own comparison, my dot who was in WL in 35 (thanks toJD and Cern et al!). He's in between the 145 Str and 168 at 151 (no WW) and also in Agility at 100 compared to 89 and 112. He is the high in Blocking in a narrow range from 99 to 103.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2542392

By comparison in Season 35 through 6 world league games he had 15 Pancakes, and allowed 3 hurries, 0 sacks in 294 plays, meaning one pancake for every 19.6 plays, and a hurry every other game.

Snake's guy has allowed 2 and 4 sacks in that time frame but tossed aside 37 defenders in 255 plays, meaning a pancake every 7.2 plays and a hurry or sack every game.

And JDs gave up 4 sacks and got 34 pancakes in 367 plays, or a sack every 10.79 plays and two sacks every three games.

Not an easy comparison since my guy has different SA lay outs, and the Miracle were 1-5 after six compared to 5-1 for the other two.

But that said,

Pancake - My guy had 10 in it compared to 1 for the other two, yet he has the lowest Pancake Rate. So Pancake = Crap SA?

Strength - My guy had the middle ground in Strength but the lowest Pancake Rate. So Strength = LOL Attribute?

Revcakes - My Guy and JDs were both revcaked 2 times, Snakes zilch, so Strength matters for Revcakes?

Agility - My guy was middle of the road in Agility but gave up the fewest sacks, JD highest game up middle - Agility = So So Pass D?

Blocking - Highest Blocking lowest Sacks lowest cakes - Blocking = Key for Pass D, LOL for Rush D?

First Step - I Had 10, lowest Pass D, Lowest Cakes = First Step Helps with Pass D but not Run D?

Shock Block - I had none, you all had 10, I had best pass D = Shock Block = Crap SA?

Intimidation - You all had it, I had none, and my team morale was probably worse due to losses = Morale Key To Pancakes?

Cut Block - I had 10, you had none. Not sure what this means, is a thrown Cut Block a Pancake? If so Crap SA.

Get Low, VAs etc, hard to figure out the OTs effect on rushing plays so hard to compare these.







I would say something like correlation does not equal causation, but I'm not even sure you have any sort of correlation, lol.

Originally posted by bhall43
seems many of you dont understand the pancake system. its actually really easy to roll up a ton of pancakes. however that strategy doesnt equal winning game in and game out as a strategy resulting in far less pancakes. thus judging a team these days by pancakes is really more about how often a team runs bi sweep left and probably qb gl run left.

It's a mistake to look at pancakes in general. If we were dealing with o-line -> d-line pancakes it might be a different scenario. As you emphasize here, pancakes in general are very scenario based.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
I would say something like correlation does not equal causation, but I'm not even sure you have any sort of correlation, lol.


Yeah its not exactly easy to compare stuff, nor sort out the game system in any real way.

But I do tend to think that three way comparison justifies JD's and Snake's disdain for Pancake SA.

And I have to question the value of Shock Block as well.

I think those two things tend to stand out in the numbers. Because the player attributes are pretty close but the results are not.

someone ask an overpower question for the Q&A tonight