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Originally posted by Nif
Its not about you Mike. I'd just stay out of it and enjoy your Gold season. They are prolly just gonna tell you to find a copper team to switch with

fyp

Dharma is going non-compete in S17, so you all need to know that there will be a situation just like this the next year because I refuse to lose in S16, I refuse to sell my team, and I refuse to just have a team full of CPU players sitting in Gold.

Though I'm not cracking because I can't keep up anymore, I'm travelling from August 1st to September 2nd and won't be able to login more than once a week.

Then on September 7th I start Law and so I'm going to be pretty busy trying to remember how to study (I got my last University degree in April 2004).

Once I'm established in my classes, I'll have a bit more time to play and I'll work on winning my way back into Gold.

...so lookout Pee Wee Silver class of Season 19!

Originally posted by Gutterade
What is the fair and consistent process that Pee Wee should than Ping? There is nothing tangible to use that would be clear and concise, which could be seen as judgmental.

Some idea's:

-Use the ranking script http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3991178
-Gold owner's vote, majority wins
-League runner up's best win record (league only), then point differential?

It is hard to say if you can use scrim's for the fact not every owner with a good team will scrim several games against top 25 talent.

I love the thread b/c of the comical posts, but I say fuck it on what happened for this season, build a plan for next and use it.

Bring up several idea's and put it to a vote for the community, winning idea gets used next season.

cheers
Dan



The ranking script will never work, it's not comparing apples to apples.

A vote is not any more objective than just swapping with somebody else.

It's really not a great system, but I think extending what is currently in place is the current best option. If Tombstone and Cleveland had sold their teams, that's the system that would be used to replace them. Why should it be different if they want to demote themselves?

And to Juiceweezl's previous post, I don't think that ranked scrims should be factored at all. The fact that a certain team doesn't play scrims shouldn't help or hurt them. First of all, they take extra time and not everyone has that. Second, a team shouldn't have to pay (flex) to have a better shot at gold. It's bad enough that they likely need to spend more on boosting & CEQ to be competitive, but a team getting an advantage b/c they drop 25 flex/day on tough ranked scrims isn't fair, either.

Originally posted by Time Trial
I was using your name and mine to say that there are teams that made it in using unconventional methods, but who have proven that they deserve to be there because they win games.

Originally posted by Time Trial

Do I deserve to be in Gold anymore than Dirty?

Dtown bought Wam after it turned out the owner was a bunch of multis. That's how he got in. Does he deserve to be there?

The answer is yes, because season after season he and I have staved off elimination and found success in Gold.

I see TT...(I didn't want it to turn into woulda, coulda, shoulda bud)

I guess I am used to Wam doesn't deserve threads every season we kick 8, 9 or 10 teams asses in Gold. Seems that maybe I jumped the gun and the haters have backed off since Deertag, Juice, you and few others have spoken up how we have earned our stay!

Originally posted by Dtownokie
I see TT...(I didn't want it to turn into woulda, coulda, shoulda bud)

I guess I am used to Wam doesn't deserve threads every season we kick 8, 9 or 10 teams asses in Gold. Seems that maybe I jumped the gun and the haters have backed off since Deertag, Juice, you and few others have spoken up how we have earned our stay!

Had to suck on bort's nuts to get into gold imo

Originally posted by PING72
I'd just like to echo basically what juiceweezl has been saying. I think he's been the biggest voice of reason, TBH.

I think EDB raises a valid point, but the way he's going about it has diluted his thought, and certainly the name calling, etc, doesn't help.

I also think a lot of you are missing the point. It's not about which team is better, TBH. It's about having a fair, consistent process for handling Gold promotions. There should be a firm system in place, and it should always be followed precisely.

The fact that teams can swap silver/gold spots by contacting support and bypass the process is a little bit concerning. Even if it was done thoughtfully and carefully this season doesn't mean it always will be done that way. I'm not 100% sure, but when Andromeda missed out on Gold that year, I'm pretty sure they were the next team in, anyway. So even though this has been done before, it hasn't been done very often, and we're now cementing a precedent. I can easily foresee where a gold team in the future could swap places with their buddy who ownes a mediocre silver team. I understand the argument that if they're not good they will likely get demoted the following season, but that's beside the point. The point is that it wouldn't be fair to the teams that got skipped. At least give them the chance to turn down the advancement to gold.

Looking at this objectively, I completely understand the argument that it wouldn't matter if Dirty absolutely destroyed everyone this season, won the official pool and won 3 scrimmages against SBWL. The fact that they lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs means that they shouldn't be in line for Gold over any team that made it to the league championship (even if they weren't very good).

Just my two cents...

good speech!

Originally posted by juiceweezl


Though EDB is being his usual childish self, he has a good point. If the process for being promoted to Gold was established in the past, then it should be followed. I think we could look back at a team like the Fighting Gamecocks. Jkid will remember exactly what process was used to let them in as they did not win a league championship. I'm sure Dirty is a good team and deserving of being in Gold based on their level of play. However, that isn't the point being made. The point being made is that if there was a system in place to determine who goes, Dirty was not a product of that system.

If you look solely at that point, then there's no denying that is the case. Dirty was selected in a subjective manner by yourself based on your belief. Did you watch all the games by all the teams up for consideration? Did you look at how the considered teams fared against Gold teams or teams going to Gold? Did you compare numbers for like opponents? What subjective method did you use? Any way you slice it, it wasn't an objective method based on the supposedly preset qualifiers.

Originally posted by PING72
I'd just like to echo basically what juiceweezl has been saying. I think he's been the biggest voice of reason, TBH.

I think EDB raises a valid point, but the way he's going about it has diluted his thought, and certainly the name calling, etc, doesn't help.

I also think a lot of you are missing the point. It's not about which team is better, TBH. It's about having a fair, consistent process for handling Gold promotions. There should be a firm system in place, and it should always be followed precisely.

The fact that teams can swap silver/gold spots by contacting support and bypass the process is a little bit concerning. Even if it was done thoughtfully and carefully this season doesn't mean it always will be done that way. I'm not 100% sure, but when Andromeda missed out on Gold that year, I'm pretty sure they were the next team in, anyway. So even though this has been done before, it hasn't been done very often, and we're now cementing a precedent. I can easily foresee where a gold team in the future could swap places with their buddy who ownes a mediocre silver team. I understand the argument that if they're not good they will likely get demoted the following season, but that's beside the point. The point is that it wouldn't be fair to the teams that got skipped. At least give them the chance to turn down the advancement to gold.

Looking at this objectively, I completely understand the argument that it wouldn't matter if Dirty absolutely destroyed everyone this season, won the official pool and won 3 scrimmages against SBWL. The fact that they lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs means that they shouldn't be in line for Gold over any team that made it to the league championship (even if they weren't very good).

Just my two cents...

Juice and PING seem to be the most level headed here. Excellent posts by both.

Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
Had to suck on bort's nuts to get into gold imo

Kicked any team and every team you were associated with cupcake S15

Keep crying

Are you EDB's Sister?

Originally posted by Dtownokie


Are you EDB's Sister?

Yea that was pretty funny /sarcasm... I am going to win my way into gold and beat you then demote.

ITT: agents grow a pair and do battle in the off-season.

Originally posted by Time Trial
ITT: agents grow a pair and do battle in the off-season.

But we haz no Pokemon cards

Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
Originally posted by Time Trial

ITT: agents grow a pair and do battle in the off-season.

But we haz no Pokemon cards

Lie.

it is a lie, I totally have pokemon cards...

This thread requires a historical reference to how the original 32 Gold Teams came together in the innauguaral season 11 for those not around at that time for shits and giggles.


Bort compiled all the S10 champions from the 25 leagues at the time, even those found in leagues 20-25 that were very heavy populated with CPU teams - I believe the league 25 champ played 1 or 2 games all season against a non-cpu team en route to their championship. The remaining 7 slots were filled in ALPHABETICAL ORDER, LOL LOL LOL, from the League Runner Ups, some of which are still in PWG.


After S11, when my team the Andromeda Strain went to Gold, despite asking repeatedly for what the promotion system was during the season, it was determined to be Points For was used which subsequently got changed to Points Against resulting from mine and Draxius's discussions with Bort.

I would like to say that we have seen some improvements over the seasons, but sadly, due to immense bickering, we have not.