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Originally posted by David Stern
Anyone taking the ethical high road about tactics in a dot ball sim can kiss my ass, and enjoy getting beat like a fucking drum.... I am gonna call w/e plays work, and abuse the hell outta w/e weaknesses I Can find in my opponents
I'm pretty sure everyone was already aware of your complete lack of character or integrity, but thanks for making an official announcement. And by the way, people like yourself who don't understand integrity don't realize that for it to be genuine, it has to apply in all facets of life. "It's just dotball" doesn't really work as an excuse, since if you don't have character for "the small stuff," then that means you're only pretending about the rest.
Originally posted by kanaan
you guys actually make me feel good for designing a play that works so well, now when i see it ran i can say i am the one who created it
You didn't create it, you copied it. Some of those exact blitzes were featured in the "exploit blitz" thread in GLB main.
Originally posted by kurieg
There's only 2 types of blitzing in this game. Exploit and stupid. While the blocking logic doesn't care about trying to get a pre-snap read or, hell, even care about how many times it's done the same damn thing and given up the sack, so-called "exploit" blitzing will be the only type of blitzing worth doing.
That's not actually true. You can blitz and get sacks occasionally without designing plays specifically to exploit the blocking logic. It's positioning players to cause OL dysfunction that screams "exploit." If you just send more guys to one side than the blockers can pick up, that's fine. If you time your blitz perfectly, that's fine. If you put your blitzers in a certain alignment because you know that it will cause the blockers to do something stupid due to flawed code, leading to an easy and frequent sack, then that's not.
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And for what it's worth, Sacker Backer is an example of what blitzing can do with extraordinary dots. If you try using the same alignment with other players, it generally doesn't work.
Anyone taking the ethical high road about tactics in a dot ball sim can kiss my ass, and enjoy getting beat like a fucking drum.... I am gonna call w/e plays work, and abuse the hell outta w/e weaknesses I Can find in my opponents
I'm pretty sure everyone was already aware of your complete lack of character or integrity, but thanks for making an official announcement. And by the way, people like yourself who don't understand integrity don't realize that for it to be genuine, it has to apply in all facets of life. "It's just dotball" doesn't really work as an excuse, since if you don't have character for "the small stuff," then that means you're only pretending about the rest.
Originally posted by kanaan
you guys actually make me feel good for designing a play that works so well, now when i see it ran i can say i am the one who created it
You didn't create it, you copied it. Some of those exact blitzes were featured in the "exploit blitz" thread in GLB main.
Originally posted by kurieg
There's only 2 types of blitzing in this game. Exploit and stupid. While the blocking logic doesn't care about trying to get a pre-snap read or, hell, even care about how many times it's done the same damn thing and given up the sack, so-called "exploit" blitzing will be the only type of blitzing worth doing.
That's not actually true. You can blitz and get sacks occasionally without designing plays specifically to exploit the blocking logic. It's positioning players to cause OL dysfunction that screams "exploit." If you just send more guys to one side than the blockers can pick up, that's fine. If you time your blitz perfectly, that's fine. If you put your blitzers in a certain alignment because you know that it will cause the blockers to do something stupid due to flawed code, leading to an easy and frequent sack, then that's not.
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And for what it's worth, Sacker Backer is an example of what blitzing can do with extraordinary dots. If you try using the same alignment with other players, it generally doesn't work.
Edited by jdbolick on Dec 23, 2009 08:42:42
Edited by jdbolick on Dec 23, 2009 08:38:39
Originally posted by jdbolick
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And for what it's worth, Sacker Backer is an example of what blitzing can do with extraordinary dots. If you try using the same alignment with other players, it generally doesn't work.
And I didn't make a fucking peep when he raped our faces.
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And for what it's worth, Sacker Backer is an example of what blitzing can do with extraordinary dots. If you try using the same alignment with other players, it generally doesn't work.
And I didn't make a fucking peep when he raped our faces.
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Originally posted by jdbolick
That's not actually true. You can blitz and get sacks occasionally without designing plays specifically to exploit the blocking logic. It's positioning players to cause OL dysfunction that screams "exploit." If you just send more guys to one side than the blockers can pick up, that's fine. If you time your blitz perfectly, that's fine. If you put your blitzers in a certain alignment because you know that it will cause the blockers to do something stupid due to flawed code, leading to an easy and frequent sack, then that's not.
Well, actually, what I said wasn't true. I guess there are lazy and delusional blitzes, too.
That's not actually true. You can blitz and get sacks occasionally without designing plays specifically to exploit the blocking logic. It's positioning players to cause OL dysfunction that screams "exploit." If you just send more guys to one side than the blockers can pick up, that's fine. If you time your blitz perfectly, that's fine. If you put your blitzers in a certain alignment because you know that it will cause the blockers to do something stupid due to flawed code, leading to an easy and frequent sack, then that's not.
Well, actually, what I said wasn't true. I guess there are lazy and delusional blitzes, too.
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To jd.. What makes something an exploit, and what makes it a strategy??? Bc these blitzes can be stomped with minimal effort. This is a video game, the goal of you as a oc/dc/scout is to do what works, use your head devise a game plan, and beat your opp. You've been playing this game for longer than me and I just realized you have never won a league title... This is clearly a case of you failing at this game and explaining it to yourself as takingthe high road. Congrats on being a debate machine, and failing at the ability to manipulate your dots for maximum effectiveness...
Ffs 3pieces of hold block/ break tackl/ break block% could probably be considered an exploit.... Who are you???? Should teams In s11 have not stacked bruiser/yac attack/scatback/qf on hbs with 2 pieces of bt% that's probably an exploit as well...
Ffs 3pieces of hold block/ break tackl/ break block% could probably be considered an exploit.... Who are you???? Should teams In s11 have not stacked bruiser/yac attack/scatback/qf on hbs with 2 pieces of bt% that's probably an exploit as well...
Edited by David Stern on Dec 23, 2009 12:08:50
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Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Iceman16
Originally posted by jrry32
It's not like it matters, back when the screens were uber strong, people including Hali exploited the crap out of them.
Saints are exploiting Drew Brees' ability to pass effectively like craaaaaaaaazy.
Iceman, stop with the stupid analogies. That is real life, the Saints aren't taking advantage of broken mechanics that kept players from going into the backfield to stop the screen and instead had them line up in front of the line of blockers. There wasn't anything wrong with doing it since everyone had the same opportunity but please don't make poor analogies or weak excuses to explain it. Just own up to it.
I could use any analogy I want with this. Saying screens were an exploit is retarded.
Originally posted by Iceman16
Originally posted by jrry32
It's not like it matters, back when the screens were uber strong, people including Hali exploited the crap out of them.
Saints are exploiting Drew Brees' ability to pass effectively like craaaaaaaaazy.
Iceman, stop with the stupid analogies. That is real life, the Saints aren't taking advantage of broken mechanics that kept players from going into the backfield to stop the screen and instead had them line up in front of the line of blockers. There wasn't anything wrong with doing it since everyone had the same opportunity but please don't make poor analogies or weak excuses to explain it. Just own up to it.
I could use any analogy I want with this. Saying screens were an exploit is retarded.
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Originally posted by David Stern
To jd.. What makes something an exploit, and what makes it a strategy??? Bc these blitzes can be stomped with minimal effort. This is a video game, the goal of you as a oc/dc/scout is to do what works, use your head devise a game plan, and beat your opp. You've been playing this game for longer than me and I just realized you have never won a league title... This is clearly a case of you failing at this game and explaining it to yourself as takingthe high road. Congrats on being a debate machine, and failing at the ability to manipulate your dots for maximum effectiveness...
Ffs 3pieces of hold block/ break tackl/ break block% could probably be considered an exploit.... Who are you???? Should teams In s11 have not stacked bruiser/yac attack/scatback/qf on hbs with 2 pieces of bt% that's probably an exploit as well...
i hope you's trollin
To jd.. What makes something an exploit, and what makes it a strategy??? Bc these blitzes can be stomped with minimal effort. This is a video game, the goal of you as a oc/dc/scout is to do what works, use your head devise a game plan, and beat your opp. You've been playing this game for longer than me and I just realized you have never won a league title... This is clearly a case of you failing at this game and explaining it to yourself as takingthe high road. Congrats on being a debate machine, and failing at the ability to manipulate your dots for maximum effectiveness...
Ffs 3pieces of hold block/ break tackl/ break block% could probably be considered an exploit.... Who are you???? Should teams In s11 have not stacked bruiser/yac attack/scatback/qf on hbs with 2 pieces of bt% that's probably an exploit as well...
i hope you's trollin
jdbolick
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Originally posted by DL24
i hope you's trollin
Honestly, he shouldn't post anything else. It's when he attempts to be sincere that he comes across as a laughably pathetic human being.
i hope you's trollin
Honestly, he shouldn't post anything else. It's when he attempts to be sincere that he comes across as a laughably pathetic human being.
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Originally posted by Iceman16
Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Iceman16
Originally posted by jrry32
It's not like it matters, back when the screens were uber strong, people including Hali exploited the crap out of them.
Saints are exploiting Drew Brees' ability to pass effectively like craaaaaaaaazy.
Iceman, stop with the stupid analogies. That is real life, the Saints aren't taking advantage of broken mechanics that kept players from going into the backfield to stop the screen and instead had them line up in front of the line of blockers. There wasn't anything wrong with doing it since everyone had the same opportunity but please don't make poor analogies or weak excuses to explain it. Just own up to it.
I could use any analogy I want with this. Saying screens were an exploit is retarded.
Saying they weren't is retarded. If they weren't an exploit, why did Bort have to fix them? Please answer that.
Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by Iceman16
Originally posted by jrry32
It's not like it matters, back when the screens were uber strong, people including Hali exploited the crap out of them.
Saints are exploiting Drew Brees' ability to pass effectively like craaaaaaaaazy.
Iceman, stop with the stupid analogies. That is real life, the Saints aren't taking advantage of broken mechanics that kept players from going into the backfield to stop the screen and instead had them line up in front of the line of blockers. There wasn't anything wrong with doing it since everyone had the same opportunity but please don't make poor analogies or weak excuses to explain it. Just own up to it.
I could use any analogy I want with this. Saying screens were an exploit is retarded.
Saying they weren't is retarded. If they weren't an exploit, why did Bort have to fix them? Please answer that.
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This thread is so the epitome of:
*points to signature*
Massive fail...All of you. For shame gentlemen.
Now excuse me...I have to go look up the term "Megalodon." F*cking just couldn't say Shark...Nooooooo...We're too f*cking good for Steamin' Willie Beaman....
F*cking dotball...
*points to signature*
Massive fail...All of you. For shame gentlemen.
Now excuse me...I have to go look up the term "Megalodon." F*cking just couldn't say Shark...Nooooooo...We're too f*cking good for Steamin' Willie Beaman....
F*cking dotball...
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Honestly, he shouldn't post anything else. It's when he attempts to be sincere that he comes across as a laughably pathetic human being.
For a guy who knows every thing about this game, you sure do fail miserably at it... Thing is I've never used an exploit, unless throwing a screen, or stacking bonuses is considered that... My entire point is vs sb the hb picks up the blitz so it was a gp issue, the entire point of my post was what makes a exploit an exploit instead of working as intended??? S11 screens??? Wasn't an exploit IMO but every team that the teams I was apart of beat the opposition cried... It's a fine line in a game like this, and idk any top team that isn't going to do w/e it takes to win...
It's when you try to pretend you have a simple understanding of the sim in it's current state, that one must wonder how small your brain actually is, bc you don't get it...
Honestly, he shouldn't post anything else. It's when he attempts to be sincere that he comes across as a laughably pathetic human being.
For a guy who knows every thing about this game, you sure do fail miserably at it... Thing is I've never used an exploit, unless throwing a screen, or stacking bonuses is considered that... My entire point is vs sb the hb picks up the blitz so it was a gp issue, the entire point of my post was what makes a exploit an exploit instead of working as intended??? S11 screens??? Wasn't an exploit IMO but every team that the teams I was apart of beat the opposition cried... It's a fine line in a game like this, and idk any top team that isn't going to do w/e it takes to win...
It's when you try to pretend you have a simple understanding of the sim in it's current state, that one must wonder how small your brain actually is, bc you don't get it...
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Originally posted by kurieg
The funny thing about your analogy is something like the Tyson-Holyfield fight. First, what Tyson did is nothing like blitzing in GLB - Tyson broke the rules of the game, lost his licence (banned) and got fined millions of dollars.
Blitzing in GLB is like what Holyfield was doing to Tyson in that fight. Jab, Jab, Jab, Jab, Jab - because the other guy can't figure out how to stop it.
Not even going to touch a planned assault analogy.
Seriously, your plan is to suggest some acceptable % for different plays that we'll all just agree on? Good luck with that.
Just because I mention it doesn't mean I think it is going to happen. I am not quite that naive, just stating my point of view. Who enjoys spending 3-4 hours gameplanning just to have the other team spend 5 minutes putting in a bunch of exploit AI's. I disagree that everyone should just use it, it spoils the game and makes no game worth watching or planning for.
And yes, I mostly play this game because I enjoy the aspect of spending time preparing a defense against the other team...I know about most if not all the exploits, but I also know it would destroy any enjoyability I have in playing this game.
Basically, the lower leagues suck, because all you do is slow build and about 5% of the teams actually try to win anything. And the WL will suck just the same if every team runs basically a 3 play defensive package.
These are all my opinions only, I just wanted to get them out there, people OBVIOUSLY feel just as strongly that we should not hold back on anything that "should get changed", just abuse it until it does. It's not like Bort doesn't know the problems, so abusing it, or reporting it and avoiding abusing it, will most likely lead to the same results on Borts end...
The funny thing about your analogy is something like the Tyson-Holyfield fight. First, what Tyson did is nothing like blitzing in GLB - Tyson broke the rules of the game, lost his licence (banned) and got fined millions of dollars.
Blitzing in GLB is like what Holyfield was doing to Tyson in that fight. Jab, Jab, Jab, Jab, Jab - because the other guy can't figure out how to stop it.
Not even going to touch a planned assault analogy.
Seriously, your plan is to suggest some acceptable % for different plays that we'll all just agree on? Good luck with that.
Just because I mention it doesn't mean I think it is going to happen. I am not quite that naive, just stating my point of view. Who enjoys spending 3-4 hours gameplanning just to have the other team spend 5 minutes putting in a bunch of exploit AI's. I disagree that everyone should just use it, it spoils the game and makes no game worth watching or planning for.
And yes, I mostly play this game because I enjoy the aspect of spending time preparing a defense against the other team...I know about most if not all the exploits, but I also know it would destroy any enjoyability I have in playing this game.
Basically, the lower leagues suck, because all you do is slow build and about 5% of the teams actually try to win anything. And the WL will suck just the same if every team runs basically a 3 play defensive package.
These are all my opinions only, I just wanted to get them out there, people OBVIOUSLY feel just as strongly that we should not hold back on anything that "should get changed", just abuse it until it does. It's not like Bort doesn't know the problems, so abusing it, or reporting it and avoiding abusing it, will most likely lead to the same results on Borts end...
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Originally posted by David Stern
For a guy who knows every thing about this game, you sure do fail miserably at it...
How exactly has he failed again?
For a guy who knows every thing about this game, you sure do fail miserably at it...
How exactly has he failed again?
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