Originally posted by pratt1130
As soon as I hit post I knew this was coming.
She knew I was coming too.
As soon as I hit post I knew this was coming.
She knew I was coming too.
Firenze
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Originally posted by pratt1130
Though she felt nothing!
Actually, she started crying afterwards.
:/
Though she felt nothing!
Actually, she started crying afterwards.
:/
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Originally posted by Firenze
Ok, do you have any proof of that?
It's just results from my players and other DE's that I speak too about it.
I had it on my DT for a season (not this super nerfed DT season) and he has a base str and agl of 87+
You would think that a DT when the VA kicks in with a str/agl of 150+ each would show some kind of results on 3rd down. However I saw no change in anything. Thus I decided like a lot of VA's, it doesn't work, or has been nerfed or watered down.
Remember, for the longest time I said Break Through worked on pass plays along with run plays and I had a few mods tell me I was wrong, however, after Bort was asked the question, he said it worked on both.
Ok, do you have any proof of that?
It's just results from my players and other DE's that I speak too about it.
I had it on my DT for a season (not this super nerfed DT season) and he has a base str and agl of 87+
You would think that a DT when the VA kicks in with a str/agl of 150+ each would show some kind of results on 3rd down. However I saw no change in anything. Thus I decided like a lot of VA's, it doesn't work, or has been nerfed or watered down.
Remember, for the longest time I said Break Through worked on pass plays along with run plays and I had a few mods tell me I was wrong, however, after Bort was asked the question, he said it worked on both.
Edited by Meatdawg on Oct 26, 2009 12:53:05
pratt1130
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Originally posted by Firenze
Actually, she started crying afterwards.
:/
That bad? I'm sorry.
Actually, she started crying afterwards.
:/
That bad? I'm sorry.
jearly
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Originally posted by Meatdawg
Originally posted by Firenze
Ok, do you have any proof of that?
It's just results from my players and other DE's that I speak too about it.
I had it on my DT for a season (not this super nerfed DT season) and he has a base str and agl of 87+
You would think that a DT when the VA kicks in with a str/agl of 150+ each would show some kind of results on 3rd down. However I saw no change in anything. Thus I decided like a lot of VA's, it doesn't work, or has been nerfed or watered down.
Remember, for the longest time I said Break Through worked on pass plays along with run plays and I had a few mods tell me I was wrong, however, after Bort was asked the question, he said it worked on both.
well, Pass Rusher VA's not going to give you much of a bonus if the Lineman have Pass blocker
Of course if you don't have it and the lineman have pass blocker, then you'll get owned on 3rd down.
Originally posted by Firenze
Ok, do you have any proof of that?
It's just results from my players and other DE's that I speak too about it.
I had it on my DT for a season (not this super nerfed DT season) and he has a base str and agl of 87+
You would think that a DT when the VA kicks in with a str/agl of 150+ each would show some kind of results on 3rd down. However I saw no change in anything. Thus I decided like a lot of VA's, it doesn't work, or has been nerfed or watered down.
Remember, for the longest time I said Break Through worked on pass plays along with run plays and I had a few mods tell me I was wrong, however, after Bort was asked the question, he said it worked on both.
well, Pass Rusher VA's not going to give you much of a bonus if the Lineman have Pass blocker
Of course if you don't have it and the lineman have pass blocker, then you'll get owned on 3rd down.jearly
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Originally posted by Kevin Smith
Originally posted by dancingd
Damn, I was hoping when I saw the thread title that there might be some useful info.
Lol, what kind of useful info were you hoping for? How to boost your DE to zero sacks, too? There is no secret to DE building because they all suck against level 60+ OLs. Taurran has some nice builds, doesn´t surprise me, but it doesn´t make his DEs good either.
beg to differ. while sacks are down across the board, some DEs are still doing well - They're just not putting up 60+ sack seasons (or even mid 20s). DTs on the other hand...
Originally posted by dancingd
Damn, I was hoping when I saw the thread title that there might be some useful info.
Lol, what kind of useful info were you hoping for? How to boost your DE to zero sacks, too? There is no secret to DE building because they all suck against level 60+ OLs. Taurran has some nice builds, doesn´t surprise me, but it doesn´t make his DEs good either.
beg to differ. while sacks are down across the board, some DEs are still doing well - They're just not putting up 60+ sack seasons (or even mid 20s). DTs on the other hand...
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Originally posted by jearly
well, Pass Rusher VA's not going to give you much of a bonus if the Lineman have Pass blocker Of course if you don't have it and the lineman have pass blocker, then you'll get owned on 3rd down.
Pass Blocker triggers more then Pass Rusher does. Lol
well, Pass Rusher VA's not going to give you much of a bonus if the Lineman have Pass blocker
Of course if you don't have it and the lineman have pass blocker, then you'll get owned on 3rd down.Pass Blocker triggers more then Pass Rusher does. Lol
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Originally posted by jearly
Originally posted by Kevin Smith
Originally posted by dancingd
Damn, I was hoping when I saw the thread title that there might be some useful info.
Lol, what kind of useful info were you hoping for? How to boost your DE to zero sacks, too? There is no secret to DE building because they all suck against level 60+ OLs. Taurran has some nice builds, doesn´t surprise me, but it doesn´t make his DEs good either.
beg to differ. while sacks are down across the board, some DEs are still doing well - They're just not putting up 60+ sack seasons (or even mid 20s). DTs on the other hand...
In WL Zeta no DE has more than 4 sacks after 7 games. While JJ has 13 in WL Alpha, several of those came when he wasn't blocked. The next highest is 5 (your DE).
So with the exception of 1 DE who is basically trippling everyone else, there isn't another DE in WL on pace to get more than 11 sacks. Only 2 DEs in WL are on pace to get 10+ sacks on the season.
Originally posted by Kevin Smith
Originally posted by dancingd
Damn, I was hoping when I saw the thread title that there might be some useful info.
Lol, what kind of useful info were you hoping for? How to boost your DE to zero sacks, too? There is no secret to DE building because they all suck against level 60+ OLs. Taurran has some nice builds, doesn´t surprise me, but it doesn´t make his DEs good either.
beg to differ. while sacks are down across the board, some DEs are still doing well - They're just not putting up 60+ sack seasons (or even mid 20s). DTs on the other hand...
In WL Zeta no DE has more than 4 sacks after 7 games. While JJ has 13 in WL Alpha, several of those came when he wasn't blocked. The next highest is 5 (your DE).
So with the exception of 1 DE who is basically trippling everyone else, there isn't another DE in WL on pace to get more than 11 sacks. Only 2 DEs in WL are on pace to get 10+ sacks on the season.
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Originally posted by Voltron
Originally posted by jearly
well, Pass Rusher VA's not going to give you much of a bonus if the Lineman have Pass blocker Of course if you don't have it and the lineman have pass blocker, then you'll get owned on 3rd down.
Pass Blocker triggers more then Pass Rusher does. Lol
Pretty much a perfect representation of "balance" on the line imo.
Originally posted by jearly
well, Pass Rusher VA's not going to give you much of a bonus if the Lineman have Pass blocker
Of course if you don't have it and the lineman have pass blocker, then you'll get owned on 3rd down.Pass Blocker triggers more then Pass Rusher does. Lol
Pretty much a perfect representation of "balance" on the line imo.
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Originally posted by Bukowski
Does Pass Rusher really even work?
Debatable.
I've never really seen a difference, and have never noticed my dot get more sacks on 3rd down. Oddly enough this season it seems like more of my hurries have come on 2nd down. lawl
Pretty sure I'm getting rid of it next preseason.
Does Pass Rusher really even work?
Debatable.
I've never really seen a difference, and have never noticed my dot get more sacks on 3rd down. Oddly enough this season it seems like more of my hurries have come on 2nd down. lawl
Pretty sure I'm getting rid of it next preseason.
Edited by Maddoc on Oct 26, 2009 13:35:07
Rage Kinard
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Originally posted by Bukowski
Does Pass Rusher really even work?
For my players who have it I can't see any noticeable difference between
1st down
2nd down and less than 10
2nd down and more than 10
3rd/4th down
Basically have as many sacks on 2nd down and 10+ as on 3rd down. Have about the same amount of sacks on 1st down as well.
I'm not sure pass rusher or pass blocker works.
Does Pass Rusher really even work?
For my players who have it I can't see any noticeable difference between
1st down
2nd down and less than 10
2nd down and more than 10
3rd/4th down
Basically have as many sacks on 2nd down and 10+ as on 3rd down. Have about the same amount of sacks on 1st down as well.
I'm not sure pass rusher or pass blocker works.
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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by jearly
Originally posted by Kevin Smith
Originally posted by dancingd
Damn, I was hoping when I saw the thread title that there might be some useful info.
Lol, what kind of useful info were you hoping for? How to boost your DE to zero sacks, too? There is no secret to DE building because they all suck against level 60+ OLs. Taurran has some nice builds, doesn´t surprise me, but it doesn´t make his DEs good either.
beg to differ. while sacks are down across the board, some DEs are still doing well - They're just not putting up 60+ sack seasons (or even mid 20s). DTs on the other hand...
In WL Zeta no DE has more than 4 sacks after 7 games. While JJ has 13 in WL Alpha, several of those came when he wasn't blocked. The next highest is 5 (your DE).
So with the exception of 1 DE who is basically trippling everyone else, there isn't another DE in WL on pace to get more than 11 sacks. Only 2 DEs in WL are on pace to get 10+ sacks on the season.
I agree that the totals are down across the board and are way too low.
I was just pointing out that they don't all suck/are worthless against lvl 60+ OLs. (Especially if you consider other stats - e.g. Troy has 8 TFLs on the season, Rawr Rawr has 10 hurries and 6 TFLs, Haufa Gurugapatuppa has 9 hurries and 14 TFls, etc.)
Originally posted by jearly
Originally posted by Kevin Smith
Originally posted by dancingd
Damn, I was hoping when I saw the thread title that there might be some useful info.
Lol, what kind of useful info were you hoping for? How to boost your DE to zero sacks, too? There is no secret to DE building because they all suck against level 60+ OLs. Taurran has some nice builds, doesn´t surprise me, but it doesn´t make his DEs good either.
beg to differ. while sacks are down across the board, some DEs are still doing well - They're just not putting up 60+ sack seasons (or even mid 20s). DTs on the other hand...
In WL Zeta no DE has more than 4 sacks after 7 games. While JJ has 13 in WL Alpha, several of those came when he wasn't blocked. The next highest is 5 (your DE).
So with the exception of 1 DE who is basically trippling everyone else, there isn't another DE in WL on pace to get more than 11 sacks. Only 2 DEs in WL are on pace to get 10+ sacks on the season.
I agree that the totals are down across the board and are way too low.
I was just pointing out that they don't all suck/are worthless against lvl 60+ OLs. (Especially if you consider other stats - e.g. Troy has 8 TFLs on the season, Rawr Rawr has 10 hurries and 6 TFLs, Haufa Gurugapatuppa has 9 hurries and 14 TFls, etc.)
Edited by jearly on Oct 26, 2009 13:48:37
Edited by jearly on Oct 26, 2009 13:47:55
Edited by jearly on Oct 26, 2009 13:46:34
Edited by jearly on Oct 26, 2009 13:45:23
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Load up your DT or DEs with Big Heart and Pass Rusher and you'll see absolutely no difference when they are both active at the same time. The only attribute that really seems to continue to get better as it increases is speed - the rest don't seem to make much of a difference when they are at the 150 or above mark.
If your agil is around 70-80 base and has no eq, pass rusher is a good VA for your dot. If he's already at 100 or so, then it's a waste imo.
If your agil is around 70-80 base and has no eq, pass rusher is a good VA for your dot. If he's already at 100 or so, then it's a waste imo.
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