Warrior General Games

Originally posted by slughead42
OK, so SUPER caveats here, before skipping to the bottom of the post to the link to the partially updated VPB I just kludged:

1. Bort's description doesn't go into every tiniest detail of the build process, so I'm just going off of his statement that the 4-season build process that I had posted was the basis for what he is going with.
2. IF that is so, this "updated" virtual player builder SHOULD be somewhat useful for looking at what the process is going to look like, nuts and bolts wise, for building dots under the new system.
3. VA xp and VA points are not messed with/fixed yet, so ignore them!
4. I don't believe the remaining bonus points available/desired is right, I didn't try to mess with it yet, so don't buy into that either.
5. I didn't figure out how to simulate the "holding on to all season zero boosts until day 0 of season 1" thing that we got to do this season, so if you're simulating a dot you want to get to level 79, then boost it 5 levels before season zero rolls over to day -4 of season 1. It MAY be that the updated VPB will let you have 5 "extra" boosts to make those up at the end, but I'm not sure of that yet.

Anyway, if you want to play around with this, here it is. You'll probably have to disable your current VPB that's running, if you have one, or else it will conflict with this one, or maybe there will be 2 different buttons for them, I'm not sure. I would just disable the other one. And, don't use a player's current build, because that would be useless, do the reset option.

https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/467453-second-try-updating-player-builder-s100

How many TP do players currently get on Day 41 when they are created?
Will players start with the same number of TP under the new building system?

Originally posted by Little M
How many TP do players currently get on Day 41 when they are created?
Will players start with the same number of TP under the new building system?

I think the point of Bort's announcement was that the off-season will keep the 8+9=17 days x 2 TP = 34 offseason+pre-season TP regardless of offseason length (since having people eat dirt an extra week just to get the TP's is kinda sucks).

Originally posted by Little M
How many TP do players currently get on Day 41 when they are created?
Will players start with the same number of TP under the new building system?

Currently, builds start with 8 TP if created on day 40, which increases by 2 TP each day (so 10 TP if created on day 41, 12 if on day 42, etc), all the way to 40 TP if you build on day -1 of the preseason.

If Bort uses what's on the spreadsheet exactly, builds would start with 20 TP if created on day 40, adding 4 TP each day. However, Bort mentioned wanting to go ahead and have dots created any time up to day zero to start with the total number of TP that they would have by that point instead of having it increment like it does now, I think?

If that was the case, dots would start with 56 TP no matter which day they were created on, from day 40 to day 0.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
I think the point of Bort's announcement was that the off-season will keep the 8+9=17 days x 2 TP = 34 offseason+pre-season TP regardless of offseason length (since having people eat dirt an extra week just to get the TP's is kinda sucks).



This isn't my understanding - my takeaway is that offseasons will run from day 41 to only day 44, and then day -4 to day 0 (so 9 days total), instead of to day 48 and from day -8 (17 days total).

My take on the 9 day offseason is that he was saying that, if they need to extend the actual amount of IRL time between by a day or two (which has happened before), if they "add" a day 45 or day 46, it wouldn't add any training points for those extra "days", the training points would still only total to 9 days of offseason. Edit: Under the new system, you'd be getting 9 days x 4 TP per day, so 36 TP per off-season, where before it's been 17 days x 2 TP per day, or 34 TP per offseason.

But I have been wrong before.

My interpretation was the same as slugs, but Wises makes more sense from a continuity sake.. need Bort to weigh in on that

I take it from what bort said.....offseason/preseason being 9 total days.....to fit with slughead.

I'm kind of assuming that in the point dump at creation there's going to be a large amount of TPs. It'll be 4x9 days, plus X for baseline creation.

We're all going to have to learn how to build dots again. 2 training sessions per day is literally a game changer. 50+ TPs, and 10 boosts is going to be a lot to sort thru.

Someone call dPride. We all need to fix R builds

Originally posted by TJ Spikes
I'm kind of assuming that in the point dump at creation there's going to be a large amount of TPs. It'll be 4x9 days, plus X for baseline creation.

We're all going to have to learn how to build dots again. 2 training sessions per day is literally a game changer. 50+ TPs, and 10 boosts is going to be a lot to sort thru.

Someone call dPride. We all need to fix R builds



It will be compressed, but more during the later seasons, where the current system ground to a near standstill, and this will keep a much more even pace forward. One of the biggest differences, IMO, we got a taste of this season already, which was being able to hold onto the 3 boosts from season zero all the way to day 0 of season 1, instead of having to boost 3x by day 48 or "lose" those until making them up at plateau.

One of the main reasons I went through the exercise of generating what a 3 season or 4 season build process might look like was that I personally didn't want a huge XP/TP dump up to like an equivalent of level 50 (as was being tossed around), because it would truly eliminate so much of the intricacies of building and would effectively "flatten" builds to be within a narrower range, IMO.

Similarly, I didn't love the idea of just applying a 2.7 (or whatever number) multiplier to the existing XP, game XP, and VXP numbers, because in the early game that would have gotten you potential 2 levels up for one game's worth of XP, which would complicate building hugely and would again, I think, have eliminated some of the fine tuning that folks do.

So anyway, in my eyes, if we couldn't just InstaDot using a VPB straight to level 79, this was a way to speed things up without losing the tricks of the trade, if you will.

That's why I'm working so much on an updated VPB that will hopefully let us all "create" some dots under the new system before we have to do so for real, to at least get up to speed on that crucial period before day zero of season 1.

OK, I'm going to update my original updated VPB post again, it's here:

https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5328913&page=9#50096965

Long story short, I think it's pretty functional now, so if you find something worrysome/obviously wrong, PLEASE post or PM me to let me know, I don't want any misinfo about there b/c of me trying to get this thing in front of everyone.

EDIT: RC26 let me know that the "Previous" day/backup button isn't working right, at least if you're going back from day 1 or further of season 1 back to day 0 or earlier, so please don't do that. Thankfully, if you've messed up in that range of days, you haven't done tons of clicking yet, so just refresh that page of your browser and start the VPB again, if you find yourself needing to go backward as described above.

Originally posted by TJ Spikes


Someone call dPride.


I called dPride.
He said fix your builds scrubs

DPride is/was an F-Tard!

PS: You know who's Multi he was and still is (though inactive) right??!!?!

Originally posted by slughead42
OK, I'm going to update my original updated VPB post again, it's here:

https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5328913&page=9#50096965

Long story short, I think it's pretty functional now, so if you find something worrysome/obviously wrong, PLEASE post or PM me to let me know, I don't want any misinfo about there b/c of me trying to get this thing in front of everyone.

EDIT: RC26 let me know that the "Previous" day/backup button isn't working right, at least if you're going back from day 1 or further of season 1 back to day 0 or earlier, so please don't do that. Thankfully, if you've messed up in that range of days, you haven't done tons of clicking yet, so just refresh that page of your browser and start the VPB again, if you find yourself needing to go backward as described above.

Wow - thank you slughead42. You are saving the game.

Bort - gift this man flex!

So, got this listed up...Originally posted by slughead42
OK, I'm going to update my original updated VPB post again, it's here:

https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5328913&page=9#50096965

Long story short, I think it's pretty functional now, so if you find something worrysome/obviously wrong, PLEASE post or PM me to let me know, I don't want any misinfo about there b/c of me trying to get this thing in front of everyone.

EDIT: RC26 let me know that the "Previous" day/backup button isn't working right, at least if you're going back from day 1 or further of season 1 back to day 0 or earlier, so please don't do that. Thankfully, if you've messed up in that range of days, you haven't done tons of clicking yet, so just refresh that page of your browser and start the VPB again, if you find yourself needing to go backward as described above.

The previous button worked for me on day 44. The NEXT button greyed out on like day 136. I had used 25 boosts by then of that's any help
Firefox, Tamper monkey



Working way better than nothing though. I'll probably need to do this a hundred times to get the feel. It's crazy different.

Originally posted by TJ Spikes
The NEXT button greyed out on like day 136. I had used 25 boosts by then of that's any help


Yeah, I ran across that, with the Next button getting greyed out at some point, I can't remember what day it was on or whatever. That's WAY above my pay grade to try to figure out, I have no idea what might be going on there.

I'm hoping that someone with real knowledge of whatever language that script is written in will come along at some point, maybe after all the exact details are known for sure and verified and we see them when we actually build new dots, and re-clean it up. But for now, like you say, it's at least something.

Originally posted by RyanCane26
My interpretation was the same as slugs, but Wises makes more sense from a continuity sake.. need Bort to weigh in on that

Bort confirmed slugs interpretation fwiw