Warrior General Games

Originally posted by jdbolick

It is annoying that your build and my build have such similar results in both pancakes and pressure allowed: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=3817143 I wonder how much OL builds even matter.

He's also had 150 fewer plays, so his pressure numbers are deflated compared to yours, but his pancakes per play are much higher.

Originally posted by Time Trial
Why no Overpower?

overrated.

I do wish he had some pancake AEQ and power blocker..

Originally posted by snakes22
overrated.

I do wish he had some pancake AEQ and power blocker..

but jdbolick just said that is a great VA and he is god, how dare you speak against god

After taking everything posted by everyone here into careful consideration...


I think I'll just keep building how I like and ignore you all. lol

Originally posted by snakes22
overrated.

I do wish he had some pancake AEQ and power blocker..

Originally posted by Robbnva
but jdbolick just said that is a great VA and he is god, how dare you speak against god

Well, it explains how a dot with a lot less strength might have an equivalent number of pancakes.

I'd probably switch workout warrior for overpower.

Your dot:

168.8 Strength on pass blocking and run blocking
vs.
164.1 Strength on pass blocking and run blocking
AND
188.72 Strength equivalent on run blocking

Jd's dot:

Jd's 145 Strength dot has the equivalent of 166.77 Strength while run blocking with overpower instead of WW.

Does hold block roll factor into pancake roll?

I thought you must be engaged to have a chance for pancake but I doubt that 15% factors into pancake chance... I've had overpower in past seasons

Originally posted by snakes22
overrated. I do wish he had some pancake AEQ and power blocker..
Holy shit, no. Overpower is a great VA for any team that rushes a lot. It would be a much better choice for your OT than Workout Warrior or Pulling Lineman. Power Blocker might be a good choice as well, but not as good as Overpower. Pancake AEQ also isn't that great. The bonus from the SA is probably a lot less than from the VA.


Originally posted by Robbnva
but jdbolick just said that is a great VA and he is god, how dare you speak against god
How about you be less of a bitter complainer and appreciate that people like me are actually willing to share knowledge with malcontents like you?

Originally posted by snakes22
Does hold block roll factor into pancake roll?

I thought you must be engaged to have a chance for pancake but I doubt that 15% factors into pancake chance... I've had overpower in past seasons

Besides a discrepancy in quality of dots they are up against, the number of plays, and the types of plays they have been in on, there isn't a lot else to explain why JD is keeping up on pancakes with a dot that has that much more strength.

I think really dominating the hold block roll allows a pancake chance, but I can't remember if that is true... I seem to remember Bort describing the dynamic like that. There's that first overpowering pancake chance, then there's the hold block / break block roll, and if you really win the hold block roll you can knock the other dot down with a pancake attempt.

Again, I don't think I've read that interaction since it was first posted (I think in a Q and A), so I'm sure I'm missing some steps in there.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Holy shit, no. Overpower is a great VA for any team that rushes a lot. It would be a much better choice for your OT than Workout Warrior or Pulling Lineman. Power Blocker might be a good choice as well, but not as good as Overpower. Pancake AEQ also isn't that great. The bonus from the SA is probably a lot less than from the VA.


Cuz my lineman have such a hard time holding their run blocks

Originally posted by snakes22
Cuz my lineman have such a hard time holding their run blocks

There are Pros and Cons to pancaking anyway. When a dot is pancaked, all of the O dots ignore it and move on to other blocking targets. If that dot has NGU, that dot might be back in the play in time to make a play if the O dots have all moved on.

Originally posted by snakes22
Cuz my lineman have such a hard time holding their run blocks
They're not very good at it. You have a lot of rushing yards on sweeps but your per carry average on everything else (where OL actually need to hold blocks) is shit. Anyone should be able to understand how a 15% bonus to strength on hold block plays would be excellent. Meanwhile you're using 15 for +4.5%. Actually we need to ask if Overpower includes equipment just like Bull Rusher supposedly does, because that would make it that much better than WW.

Originally posted by jdbolick

They're not very good at it. You have a lot of rushing yards on sweeps but your per carry average on everything else (where OL actually need to hold blocks) is shit. Anyone should be able to understand how a 15% bonus to strength on hold block plays would be excellent. Meanwhile you're using 15 for +4.5%. Actually we need to ask if Overpower includes equipment just like Bull Rusher supposedly does, because that would make it that much better than WW.

My understanding is that it was implemented to be the rushing counter to Bull Rusher for the O-line and that it does include equipment.

Originally posted by jdbolick

They're not very good at it. You have a lot of rushing yards on sweeps but your per carry average on everything else (where OL actually need to hold blocks) is shit. Anyone should be able to understand how a 15% bonus to strength on hold block plays would be excellent. Meanwhile you're using 15 for +4.5%. Actually we need to ask if Overpower includes equipment just like Bull Rusher supposedly does, because that would make it that much better than WW.

that much better for inside rush situations..

we get outside and pancake dots, that's what we do.. I wish they had more speed, pancake and power blocker.. no overpower..

Originally posted by jdbolick

They're not very good at it. You have a lot of rushing yards on sweeps but your per carry average on everything else (where OL actually need to hold blocks) is shit. Anyone should be able to understand how a 15% bonus to strength on hold block plays would be excellent. Meanwhile you're using 15 for +4.5%. Actually we need to ask if Overpower includes equipment just like Bull Rusher supposedly does, because that would make it that much better than WW.

since when does Bull Rusher include equipment?

Originally posted by foshizzel17
since when does Bull Rusher include equipment?

Since always.