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Originally posted by BobLeeSwagger
I got a question, is it fun winning by running like the same two plays over and over, and it works because of a bug? Not the first time I have seen Kings Of Ag win by just running about two plays...
He ran one play for 500 yards 25 times I think against PWU. It was one play I let go and never fixed. You do have to give the guy credit, if he finds a weakness he will abuse the play that exploits your weakness. No RPP so you can't blame him for winning that way. He owns all his players so he doesn't have to try and make other players happy. Blame Bort, his RPP is a joke.
I got a question, is it fun winning by running like the same two plays over and over, and it works because of a bug? Not the first time I have seen Kings Of Ag win by just running about two plays...
He ran one play for 500 yards 25 times I think against PWU. It was one play I let go and never fixed. You do have to give the guy credit, if he finds a weakness he will abuse the play that exploits your weakness. No RPP so you can't blame him for winning that way. He owns all his players so he doesn't have to try and make other players happy. Blame Bort, his RPP is a joke.
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Originally posted by LordEvil
Originally posted by BobLeeSwagger
I got a question, is it fun winning by running like the same two plays over and over, and it works because of a bug? Not the first time I have seen Kings Of Ag win by just running about two plays...
He ran one play for 500 yards 25 times I think against PWU. It was one play I let go and never fixed. You do have to give the guy credit, if he finds a weakness he will abuse the play that exploits your weakness. No RPP so you can't blame him for winning that way. He owns all his players so he doesn't have to try and make other players happy. Blame Bort, his RPP is a joke.
That is true, but I just cant understand how he can enjoy winning that way.
Originally posted by BobLeeSwagger
I got a question, is it fun winning by running like the same two plays over and over, and it works because of a bug? Not the first time I have seen Kings Of Ag win by just running about two plays...
He ran one play for 500 yards 25 times I think against PWU. It was one play I let go and never fixed. You do have to give the guy credit, if he finds a weakness he will abuse the play that exploits your weakness. No RPP so you can't blame him for winning that way. He owns all his players so he doesn't have to try and make other players happy. Blame Bort, his RPP is a joke.
That is true, but I just cant understand how he can enjoy winning that way.
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Originally posted by BobLeeSwagger
That is true, but I just cant understand how he can enjoy winning that way.
Some people don't care how they win, while others recognize the difference between a good win and a poor win an strive for good wins. No matter how a person wins, a win is a win and in the end, that's all that counts. No one is congratulated for going for the good win if they lose.
I do believe that the over pursuit issue on screens is a bug that does need to be corrected. But as long as it exists, people can and will take advantage of it and that's all ESB did to me and likely will continue to do. While I can't say I am happy he decided to win that way, I can't fault him for it either. In the end, he won and I lost, end of story.
That is true, but I just cant understand how he can enjoy winning that way.
Some people don't care how they win, while others recognize the difference between a good win and a poor win an strive for good wins. No matter how a person wins, a win is a win and in the end, that's all that counts. No one is congratulated for going for the good win if they lose.
I do believe that the over pursuit issue on screens is a bug that does need to be corrected. But as long as it exists, people can and will take advantage of it and that's all ESB did to me and likely will continue to do. While I can't say I am happy he decided to win that way, I can't fault him for it either. In the end, he won and I lost, end of story.
Originally posted by Gerr
Some people don't care how they win, while others recognize the difference between a good win and a poor win an strive for good wins. No matter how a person wins, a win is a win and in the end, that's all that counts. No one is congratulated for going for the good win if they lose.
I do believe that the over pursuit issue on screens is a bug that does need to be corrected. But as long as it exists, people can and will take advantage of it and that's all ESB did to me and likely will continue to do. While I can't say I am happy he decided to win that way, I can't fault him for it either. In the end, he won and I lost, end of story.
The bottom line is his team is moving on to the finals and yours is going home. You made a good run again this season in this tournament Gerr so congrats there but please dont try and belittle and take away from him beating your team. A win is a win.
Some people don't care how they win, while others recognize the difference between a good win and a poor win an strive for good wins. No matter how a person wins, a win is a win and in the end, that's all that counts. No one is congratulated for going for the good win if they lose.
I do believe that the over pursuit issue on screens is a bug that does need to be corrected. But as long as it exists, people can and will take advantage of it and that's all ESB did to me and likely will continue to do. While I can't say I am happy he decided to win that way, I can't fault him for it either. In the end, he won and I lost, end of story.
The bottom line is his team is moving on to the finals and yours is going home. You made a good run again this season in this tournament Gerr so congrats there but please dont try and belittle and take away from him beating your team. A win is a win.
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Originally posted by BobLeeSwagger
I got a question, is it fun winning by running like the same two plays over and over, and it works because of a bug? Not the first time I have seen Kings Of Ag win by just running about two plays...
I can see how it is less than entertaining - especially if, like yourself, you got roasted by it.
As i've said before - its not a 'bug' because my games aren't finishing 85-78 - other teams aren't making the same play work against me because i've set my D up to counter it.
Also, and i wasn't going to bother mentioning this, there was only a couple of plays in yesterdays game where 'over-pursuit' could be blamed - you can check this by watching the PBP - what happened is his defense where stood in places where they got blocked out of the play - funnily enough thats how screens work.
Gerr has played the game long enough to know that over-pursuit wasn't the problem - it was poorly thought out DPC.
And to answer your question: yes - it rocks.
I got a question, is it fun winning by running like the same two plays over and over, and it works because of a bug? Not the first time I have seen Kings Of Ag win by just running about two plays...
I can see how it is less than entertaining - especially if, like yourself, you got roasted by it.
As i've said before - its not a 'bug' because my games aren't finishing 85-78 - other teams aren't making the same play work against me because i've set my D up to counter it.
Also, and i wasn't going to bother mentioning this, there was only a couple of plays in yesterdays game where 'over-pursuit' could be blamed - you can check this by watching the PBP - what happened is his defense where stood in places where they got blocked out of the play - funnily enough thats how screens work.
Gerr has played the game long enough to know that over-pursuit wasn't the problem - it was poorly thought out DPC.
And to answer your question: yes - it rocks.
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Originally posted by LordEvil
He ran one play for 500 yards 25 times I think against PWU. It was one play I let go and never fixed. You do have to give the guy credit, if he finds a weakness he will abuse the play that exploits your weakness. No RPP so you can't blame him for winning that way. He owns all his players so he doesn't have to try and make other players happy. Blame Bort, his RPP is a joke.
If I did have people making my DoTs i think they'd be happy enough with a 27-0 league record, both teams in the Silver final and one in the Addicts final.
What is a 'joke' however is the self styled dotball guru boosting Dots on his silver team, losing, then compounding that by passively aggressively whining about how I won.
Maybe you can get a team in copper next year, boost them and win the Copper tournament?
He ran one play for 500 yards 25 times I think against PWU. It was one play I let go and never fixed. You do have to give the guy credit, if he finds a weakness he will abuse the play that exploits your weakness. No RPP so you can't blame him for winning that way. He owns all his players so he doesn't have to try and make other players happy. Blame Bort, his RPP is a joke.
If I did have people making my DoTs i think they'd be happy enough with a 27-0 league record, both teams in the Silver final and one in the Addicts final.
What is a 'joke' however is the self styled dotball guru boosting Dots on his silver team, losing, then compounding that by passively aggressively whining about how I won.
Maybe you can get a team in copper next year, boost them and win the Copper tournament?
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Originally posted by Gerr
Some people don't care how they win, while others recognize the difference between a good win and a poor win an strive for good wins. No matter how a person wins, a win is a win and in the end, that's all that counts. No one is congratulated for going for the good win if they lose.
I do believe that the over pursuit issue on screens is a bug that does need to be corrected. But as long as it exists, people can and will take advantage of it and that's all ESB did to me and likely will continue to do. While I can't say I am happy he decided to win that way, I can't fault him for it either. In the end, he won and I lost, end of story.
Come on Gerr.
I felt some sympathy watching you get trolled all the time - but posts like this tell me why you are such an easy mark.
Lets see all these 'over-pursuit' plays from the game.
I watched the whole thing, twice, and reckon I could count a few at most.
Your players got blocked out of the way - they didn;t go running past the play - in over pursuit as you say.
Your contradictory oh-so-subtle whining has been noted "while I can't say i'm happy he chose to win that way....." "some people don't care how they win....."
Guys in Gold obviously can't handle getting beaten by a relative noob - has to be an exploit of some type...lame.
Some people don't care how they win, while others recognize the difference between a good win and a poor win an strive for good wins. No matter how a person wins, a win is a win and in the end, that's all that counts. No one is congratulated for going for the good win if they lose.
I do believe that the over pursuit issue on screens is a bug that does need to be corrected. But as long as it exists, people can and will take advantage of it and that's all ESB did to me and likely will continue to do. While I can't say I am happy he decided to win that way, I can't fault him for it either. In the end, he won and I lost, end of story.
Come on Gerr.
I felt some sympathy watching you get trolled all the time - but posts like this tell me why you are such an easy mark.
Lets see all these 'over-pursuit' plays from the game.
I watched the whole thing, twice, and reckon I could count a few at most.
Your players got blocked out of the way - they didn;t go running past the play - in over pursuit as you say.
Your contradictory oh-so-subtle whining has been noted "while I can't say i'm happy he chose to win that way....." "some people don't care how they win....."
Guys in Gold obviously can't handle getting beaten by a relative noob - has to be an exploit of some type...lame.
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Originally posted by Empire_Strikes_Back
If I did have people making my DoTs i think they'd be happy enough with a 27-0 league record, both teams in the Silver final and one in the Addicts final.
What is a 'joke' however is the self styled dotball guru boosting Dots on his silver team, losing, then compounding that by passively aggressively whining about how I won.
Maybe you can get a team in copper next year, boost them and win the Copper tournament?
Oh snap, now you want to throw down with me eh? Thats cool. I wasn't whining, I was giving you credit asshole. You couldnt win any other way so you found one broken play and gambled. Had I not tagged your dumb ass QB, both your silver teams would have lost to me and I would have to listen to your whiny ass some more bitching about boosting. Don't be such a hater. I'm not the one with 2 silver teams am I? Talk about complex, seems having 2 teams to better your odds of making Gold is lol to me so whatevs. I could run 3 Silver teams and boost all 3 if it was an ego thing. Like I said earlier, it's more of a build issue/experiment than storm through Silver. Again you got beat by me in the GLB tourney before boosting . Next time that one play won't get you win because your defense isn't all that. Everything else was shut down.
Also when I make Gold leagues calander, I'll go ahead and put you own for whining extensively around week 9 because that's about the time most gold teams boost. Might want to start thinking about staying in Silver if boosting is going to be a problem for you.
If I did have people making my DoTs i think they'd be happy enough with a 27-0 league record, both teams in the Silver final and one in the Addicts final.
What is a 'joke' however is the self styled dotball guru boosting Dots on his silver team, losing, then compounding that by passively aggressively whining about how I won.
Maybe you can get a team in copper next year, boost them and win the Copper tournament?
Oh snap, now you want to throw down with me eh? Thats cool. I wasn't whining, I was giving you credit asshole. You couldnt win any other way so you found one broken play and gambled. Had I not tagged your dumb ass QB, both your silver teams would have lost to me and I would have to listen to your whiny ass some more bitching about boosting. Don't be such a hater. I'm not the one with 2 silver teams am I? Talk about complex, seems having 2 teams to better your odds of making Gold is lol to me so whatevs. I could run 3 Silver teams and boost all 3 if it was an ego thing. Like I said earlier, it's more of a build issue/experiment than storm through Silver. Again you got beat by me in the GLB tourney before boosting . Next time that one play won't get you win because your defense isn't all that. Everything else was shut down.
Also when I make Gold leagues calander, I'll go ahead and put you own for whining extensively around week 9 because that's about the time most gold teams boost. Might want to start thinking about staying in Silver if boosting is going to be a problem for you.
Edited by LordEvil on Jun 9, 2011 04:41:56
Empire_Strikes_Back
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Originally posted by LordEvil
Oh snap, now you want to throw down with me eh? Thats cool. I wasn't whining, I was giving you credit asshole. You couldnt win any other way so you found one broken play and gambled. Had I not tagged your dumb ass QB, both your silver teams would have lost to me and I would have to listen to your whiny ass some more bitching about boosting. Don't be such a hater. I'm not the one with 2 silver teams am I? Talk about complex, seems having 2 teams to better your odds of making Gold is lol to me so whatevs. I could run 3 Silver teams and boost all 3 if it was an ego thing. Like I said earlier, it's more of a build issue/experiment than storm through Silver. Again you got beat by me in the GLB tourney before boosting . Next time that one play won't get you win because your defense isn't all that. Everything else was shut down.
Also when I make Gold leagues calander, I'll go ahead and put you own for whining extensively around week 9 because that's about the time most gold teams boost. Might want to start thinking about staying in Silver if boosting is going to be a problem for you.
Interesting that you are making all this noise about two unboosted Silver teams when you are sitting on the Ownership of one established gold team plus the oh-so-altruistic 'Pee Wee University'.
I'd love to hear about how 'not tagging my QB' would have made all the difference - you were raped on the counter play regardless of which QB was back there.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1703354&pbp_id=8384733 QB#1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1703354&pbp_id=8384944 QB#2
Sounds like more flimsy excuse making.
As regards the boosting - the only combination of events that i think is patently unfair is Gold Level ownership owning a team in Silver and boosting it...full stop.
Whether they do it before a tourny or whatever is irrelevant.
Most guys with those type of qualifications won't do that...for what most people find obvious reasons...but ones that obviously escape you.
You won't find me complaining about boosting under any other circumstances - my main rival in Silver #8 is boosting - and fair play to him - probably makes him favorite to get promotion.
But he doesn't own another team in Gold does he?
Now, i'm presuming you are boosting your players to see how they perform on the field?
Because there are other ways to forecast the builds.
In which case i'd have to wonder at what you hope to learn about their interaction with inferior built Dots with inferior level coaching that you'd find at Silver level.
What could you possibly learn from that, that you could extrapolate it to the Gold League?
Very little.
Its obvious that you don't care what fall-out is caused in Silver level as long as you get to run your little boost-related calculations - which goes against the whole principle of the Pee Wee university doesn't it?
A flippant remark you made was closer to the mark - you thought you could help yourself to some 'free flex' (your words not mine) by beating up on Silver level opposition.
Instead you got a black-eye so you want to make excuses for it.
Oh snap, now you want to throw down with me eh? Thats cool. I wasn't whining, I was giving you credit asshole. You couldnt win any other way so you found one broken play and gambled. Had I not tagged your dumb ass QB, both your silver teams would have lost to me and I would have to listen to your whiny ass some more bitching about boosting. Don't be such a hater. I'm not the one with 2 silver teams am I? Talk about complex, seems having 2 teams to better your odds of making Gold is lol to me so whatevs. I could run 3 Silver teams and boost all 3 if it was an ego thing. Like I said earlier, it's more of a build issue/experiment than storm through Silver. Again you got beat by me in the GLB tourney before boosting . Next time that one play won't get you win because your defense isn't all that. Everything else was shut down.
Also when I make Gold leagues calander, I'll go ahead and put you own for whining extensively around week 9 because that's about the time most gold teams boost. Might want to start thinking about staying in Silver if boosting is going to be a problem for you.
Interesting that you are making all this noise about two unboosted Silver teams when you are sitting on the Ownership of one established gold team plus the oh-so-altruistic 'Pee Wee University'.
I'd love to hear about how 'not tagging my QB' would have made all the difference - you were raped on the counter play regardless of which QB was back there.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1703354&pbp_id=8384733 QB#1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1703354&pbp_id=8384944 QB#2
Sounds like more flimsy excuse making.
As regards the boosting - the only combination of events that i think is patently unfair is Gold Level ownership owning a team in Silver and boosting it...full stop.
Whether they do it before a tourny or whatever is irrelevant.
Most guys with those type of qualifications won't do that...for what most people find obvious reasons...but ones that obviously escape you.
You won't find me complaining about boosting under any other circumstances - my main rival in Silver #8 is boosting - and fair play to him - probably makes him favorite to get promotion.
But he doesn't own another team in Gold does he?
Now, i'm presuming you are boosting your players to see how they perform on the field?
Because there are other ways to forecast the builds.
In which case i'd have to wonder at what you hope to learn about their interaction with inferior built Dots with inferior level coaching that you'd find at Silver level.
What could you possibly learn from that, that you could extrapolate it to the Gold League?
Very little.
Its obvious that you don't care what fall-out is caused in Silver level as long as you get to run your little boost-related calculations - which goes against the whole principle of the Pee Wee university doesn't it?
A flippant remark you made was closer to the mark - you thought you could help yourself to some 'free flex' (your words not mine) by beating up on Silver level opposition.
Instead you got a black-eye so you want to make excuses for it.
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1. The over pursuit issue IS a bug, but not one that Bort seems to want to fix since I really only see it at the lower levels and we all know how much Bort cares about Pee-Wee...
2. My defense is well designed and should stop most screens for a minimal gain, but the over pursuit bug is allowing the HB/FB to make a cut back to an empty middle of the field that shouldn't be empty. ESB showed me my defense was more exposed to this bug than I thought, so adjustments have been made.
3. If GLB allows you to do something, it doesn't matter if it's fair or not, if it gets you a win or an advantage, people can and will use it. ESB is taking advantage of the over pursuit bug on screens, I am taking advantage of the fact that one person can own two Gold teams. Neither case is what most people would call "fair", but since both are allowed, we are simply taking advantage of it.
4. Though I can't say I am happy about how ESB beat me (I am never happy when I lose), but ESB had every right to do what he did as GLB allows it, so I can't fault him for it as Bevo could have done the same. Plus his defense did a good job of shutting down Bevo's offense. It was a well played game on his part and in the end, he got the W and that's all that counts.
5. I have said it before, but sounds like I need to say it again, I lost, ESB won, kudos to him, end of story. I had a good run in this tourney, just fell short this season, oh well. Good luck to those in the championship game!
2. My defense is well designed and should stop most screens for a minimal gain, but the over pursuit bug is allowing the HB/FB to make a cut back to an empty middle of the field that shouldn't be empty. ESB showed me my defense was more exposed to this bug than I thought, so adjustments have been made.
3. If GLB allows you to do something, it doesn't matter if it's fair or not, if it gets you a win or an advantage, people can and will use it. ESB is taking advantage of the over pursuit bug on screens, I am taking advantage of the fact that one person can own two Gold teams. Neither case is what most people would call "fair", but since both are allowed, we are simply taking advantage of it.
4. Though I can't say I am happy about how ESB beat me (I am never happy when I lose), but ESB had every right to do what he did as GLB allows it, so I can't fault him for it as Bevo could have done the same. Plus his defense did a good job of shutting down Bevo's offense. It was a well played game on his part and in the end, he got the W and that's all that counts.
5. I have said it before, but sounds like I need to say it again, I lost, ESB won, kudos to him, end of story. I had a good run in this tourney, just fell short this season, oh well. Good luck to those in the championship game!
Edited by Gerr on Jun 9, 2011 10:44:19
LordEvil
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I knew a dog named Mow. He didn't like his name and I know this. Reason why I know he dudn't like it is because he doesn't come when I call his name.
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Thanks Gerr!
On a side note, i'd like to see some of the plays you regard to be over-pursuit bugs, its possible we don't see the same thing and you've been doing this for longer than me.
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On a side note, i'd like to see some of the plays you regard to be over-pursuit bugs, its possible we don't see the same thing and you've been doing this for longer than me.
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