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I'd just like to echo basically what juiceweezl has been saying. I think he's been the biggest voice of reason, TBH.

I think EDB raises a valid point, but the way he's going about it has diluted his thought, and certainly the name calling, etc, doesn't help.

I also think a lot of you are missing the point. It's not about which team is better, TBH. It's about having a fair, consistent process for handling Gold promotions. There should be a firm system in place, and it should always be followed precisely.

The fact that teams can swap silver/gold spots by contacting support and bypass the process is a little bit concerning. Even if it was done thoughtfully and carefully this season doesn't mean it always will be done that way. I'm not 100% sure, but when Andromeda missed out on Gold that year, I'm pretty sure they were the next team in, anyway. So even though this has been done before, it hasn't been done very often, and we're now cementing a precedent. I can easily foresee where a gold team in the future could swap places with their buddy who ownes a mediocre silver team. I understand the argument that if they're not good they will likely get demoted the following season, but that's beside the point. The point is that it wouldn't be fair to the teams that got skipped. At least give them the chance to turn down the advancement to gold.

Looking at this objectively, I completely understand the argument that it wouldn't matter if Dirty absolutely destroyed everyone this season, won the official pool and won 3 scrimmages against SBWL. The fact that they lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs means that they shouldn't be in line for Gold over any team that made it to the league championship (even if they weren't very good).

Just my two cents...

Originally posted by MikeInFl
Can I stop reading this steaming pile now? I hate to be like that but I do play GLB for fun and this is not my idea of it. If enough of you don't want Dirty in Gold I will try and get removed. idk how else to keep this from dragging out. I'll throw a number out there of +8 peewee owners or coordinators or active community members that don't want DIRTY in and I'll send a PM to Ellis.

Don't listen to these assholes.

Once you are in Gold you can just ignore the crap in the main forum.

Originally posted by Moogz
Originally posted by Nif

I can't believe someone has actually suggested that Gold teams be allowed to choose their successor. What fucking country do you clowns live in? Why have system created leagues and rules for anything then? Get a bunch of your buddies and make your own league and let your other elitist friends in when you are tired of playing and the rest of us will go use the public courses.

Want to go to Gold Nif? I can make it happen.

lol sweet.

Listen, I am 100% aware of my chances of ever making it to Gold with my team and my abilities. I am also aware of what awaits me there and most other teams for that matter. There is a system in place to determine whom gets a promotion or a demotion in every league structure of this game. To allow one team to bypass that system because of another agents choice, regardless of how derserving said team is, smacks of some kind of nepotism or elitism or what ever other long word you can come up with.

Without stating the obvious financial obligations it takes to compete with the best, it is simply unfair to have allowed this to happen and is jsut another in a long line of admin oops's that will be brushed aside and forgotten about because 'it will all work it self out in the end'.

Originally posted by Time Trial
Don't listen to these assholes.

Once you are in Gold you can just ignore the crap in the main forum.

Yup, Mike deserves to be in gold...it's just a game guys, and I don't think any other silver team is as good as DIRTY

He'd better be sorry...

Originally posted by Time Trial
Originally posted by Nif

I can't believe someone has actually suggested that Gold teams be allowed to choose their successor. What fucking country do you clowns live in? Why have system created leagues and rules for anything then? Get a bunch of your buddies and make your own league and let your other elitist friends in when you are tired of playing and the rest of us will go use the public courses.

Any team can pick their successor jerk-bag.

Hire their owner as a GM. Go CPU. GM buys team.

If the team is able to escape demotion, they are already able to do this.

So can any silver team fwiw.

LOST. I about died watching last nite.

What you describe didn't happen here and the other couple dozen 'deserving' teams werent given either option but they have instead been operating under the notion that they would have the same chance based on the rules as the next team.

What is the fair and consistent process that Pee Wee should than Ping? There is nothing tangible to use that would be clear and concise, which could be seen as judgmental.

Some idea's:

-Use the ranking script http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3991178
-Gold owner's vote, majority wins
-League runner up's best win record (league only), then point differential?

It is hard to say if you can use scrim's for the fact not every owner with a good team will scrim several games against top 25 talent.

I love the thread b/c of the comical posts, but I say fuck it on what happened for this season, build a plan for next and use it.

Bring up several idea's and put it to a vote for the community, winning idea gets used next season.

cheers
Dan

Originally posted by PING72
I'd just like to echo basically what juiceweezl has been saying. I think he's been the biggest voice of reason, TBH.

I think EDB raises a valid point, but the way he's going about it has diluted his thought, and certainly the name calling, etc, doesn't help.

I also think a lot of you are missing the point. It's not about which team is better, TBH. It's about having a fair, consistent process for handling Gold promotions. There should be a firm system in place, and it should always be followed precisely.

The fact that teams can swap silver/gold spots by contacting support and bypass the process is a little bit concerning. Even if it was done thoughtfully and carefully this season doesn't mean it always will be done that way. I'm not 100% sure, but when Andromeda missed out on Gold that year, I'm pretty sure they were the next team in, anyway. So even though this has been done before, it hasn't been done very often, and we're now cementing a precedent. I can easily foresee where a gold team in the future could swap places with their buddy who ownes a mediocre silver team. I understand the argument that if they're not good they will likely get demoted the following season, but that's beside the point. The point is that it wouldn't be fair to the teams that got skipped. At least give them the chance to turn down the advancement to gold.

Looking at this objectively, I completely understand the argument that it wouldn't matter if Dirty absolutely destroyed everyone this season, won the official pool and won 3 scrimmages against SBWL. The fact that they lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs means that they shouldn't be in line for Gold over any team that made it to the league championship (even if they weren't very good).

Just my two cents...

I agree

PM SENT --

If there is a CPU owned team in Gold next season and I get removed.. I WILL EAT YOUR BABIES

Ellis,
I was fortunate enough to be promoted to Pee Wee Gold via a request made by DDupRae09 last night. His team TOutlaws was going afk and he asked that we get promoted to keep Gold competitive. Well there is a steaming pile of shit thread about 10 pages long here http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4022787&page=1 on the debate of the promotion. Many people know my team is good enough, but they feel i got promoted through the backdoor and they are slighted.

To keep the PeeWee community at ease I ask that you do one of two things
1) Explain the decision to allow the Promotion or
2) Throw Dirty Inc back into Silver and I will destroy faggets one week at a time until i make it in Gold like everyone else.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=6864

Peace out,

Originally posted by MikeInFl

2) Throw Dirty Inc back into Silver and I will destroy faggets one week at a time until i make it in Gold like everyone else.


Gotta get past SAS

Mike you're gonna banned for saying "faggots" most likely

I've been banned like three times for it

To be clear I am not directing that word at any person specifically.

Originally posted by PING72
I'd just like to echo basically what juiceweezl has been saying. I think he's been the biggest voice of reason, TBH.

I think EDB raises a valid point, but the way he's going about it has diluted his thought, and certainly the name calling, etc, doesn't help.

I also think a lot of you are missing the point. It's not about which team is better, TBH. It's about having a fair, consistent process for handling Gold promotions. There should be a firm system in place, and it should always be followed precisely.

The fact that teams can swap silver/gold spots by contacting support and bypass the process is a little bit concerning. Even if it was done thoughtfully and carefully this season doesn't mean it always will be done that way. I'm not 100% sure, but when Andromeda missed out on Gold that year, I'm pretty sure they were the next team in, anyway. So even though this has been done before, it hasn't been done very often, and we're now cementing a precedent. I can easily foresee where a gold team in the future could swap places with their buddy who owns a mediocre silver team. I understand the argument that if they're not good they will likely get demoted the following season, but that's beside the point. The point is that it wouldn't be fair to the teams that got skipped. At least give them the chance to turn down the advancement to gold.

Looking at this objectively, I completely understand the argument that it wouldn't matter if Dirty absolutely destroyed everyone this season, won the official pool and won 3 scrimmages against SBWL. The fact that they lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs means that they shouldn't be in line for Gold over any team that made it to the league championship (even if they weren't very good).

Just my two cents...

Thanks, Ping. I'll quote this for reference as everyone should make note of it. While it would be almost impossible to come up with the perfect set of qualifiers, you can go with a tiered system that looks at playoffs, tourneys, and ranked scrims (favoring Gold opponents). To be eligible, they have to be XX first (like been a conference champion). Next, they need at least 1 ranked scrim win against a Gold team (or whatever number). Next, they need to have won at least 3 tourney games (could be from all tourneys), etc. You keep tiering it like that until you have one team left. Points scored/allowed is definitely not the way to do it.

Heck, this season they could've just used least amount of ST scores allowed and no one could've complained.

Originally posted by Nif
LOST. I about died watching last nite.

What you describe didn't happen here and the other couple dozen 'deserving' teams werent given either option but they have instead been operating under the notion that they would have the same chance based on the rules as the next team.

I agree about Lost. My F-ing Grandmother's 80th birthday is on Sunday so I have to PVR it and watch it later rather than get to watch it with friends. If the streets are littered with the dead because the finale was a let-down, at least I will get to be one of the survivors.

What happened is basically what I described though. Dirty would have been in Gold if it weren't for the fact that one of Gold's best and brightest put a team up against him.

Dirty had the best record based on tournaments, strength of schedule, and performance in the season.

Also I have to reiterate that the promotion system DOES NOT include teams requesting demotion to Silver. The promotion rules in place only cover teams who went CPU prior to day 41 and teams who were in the bottom 4 of each conference.

Dirty was picked because Tombstone chose them as an adaquate replacement. No one can question their quality and no one should.

Its not about you Mike. I'd just stay out of it and enjoy your Gold season. They are prolly just gonna tell you to find a silver team to switch with