My LVL 32 CB has 100 Speed 77 Agility
Originally posted by vinman
My LVL 32 CB has 100 Speed 77 Agility
You bumped this thread for that?
My LVL 32 CB has 100 Speed 77 Agility
You bumped this thread for that?
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Originally posted by vinman
My LVL 32 CB has 100 Speed 77 Agility
My L32 has 90/75 and he's better than yours.
/e-flex
My LVL 32 CB has 100 Speed 77 Agility
My L32 has 90/75 and he's better than yours.
/e-flex
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Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Originally posted by vinman
My LVL 32 CB has 100 Speed 77 Agility
You bumped this thread for that?
I lol'd
Originally posted by vinman
My LVL 32 CB has 100 Speed 77 Agility
You bumped this thread for that?
I lol'd
Originally posted by vinman
Geez sorry i added something to the post
The question in the thread was how much speed is enough for a cb. You posted the speed and agility your level 32 cb has. How is that adding to the thread?
Geez sorry i added something to the post
The question in the thread was how much speed is enough for a cb. You posted the speed and agility your level 32 cb has. How is that adding to the thread?
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=698361&pbp_id=2891414
OK here is a CB (LVL 43) with 94/75 speed, he got toasted.
You need more speed then 95...
OK here is a CB (LVL 43) with 94/75 speed, he got toasted.
You need more speed then 95...
Originally posted by Seleni
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=698361&pbp_id=2891414
OK here is a CB (LVL 43) with 94/75 speed, he got toasted.
You need more speed then 95...
What are his vision, SV, SDC, CD, confidence, and stamina?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=698361&pbp_id=2891414
OK here is a CB (LVL 43) with 94/75 speed, he got toasted.
You need more speed then 95...
What are his vision, SV, SDC, CD, confidence, and stamina?
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Open build ftw.
Needs more vision. It doesn't look like ball hawk ever kicked in (didn't see the ball), although his ball hawk is so low that maybe that also explains the un-noticeable boost from it. His VA selections are pretty horrific for a CB.
95 is plenty of speed when the rest of the CB's build is good imo. I think he would have been able to keep up with the WR if he had 80+ agility, 68 vision, and 15 in ball hawk.
Needs more vision. It doesn't look like ball hawk ever kicked in (didn't see the ball), although his ball hawk is so low that maybe that also explains the un-noticeable boost from it. His VA selections are pretty horrific for a CB.
95 is plenty of speed when the rest of the CB's build is good imo. I think he would have been able to keep up with the WR if he had 80+ agility, 68 vision, and 15 in ball hawk.
Edited by firehazard on Aug 17, 2009 10:04:33
His vision, agility, SV, and SDC are all too low. He didn't get beat because 95 speed isn't enough, he got beat because it's just not a very good build.
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Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
His vision, agility, SV, and SDC are all too low. He didn't get beat because 95 speed isn't enough, he got beat because it's just not a very good build.
So basically:
If you don't raise vision, agility, SV and SDC to compensate for lower speed, then 90 speed is not enough.
That's the recurring premise. I think it's easier and cheaper to raise one attribute than it is to raise two other attributes plus two SAs that aren't early in the tree.
I'm not saying you won't likely raise those attributes anyway, but do you really want to be adjusting their final values on the basis that you need them to make you faster when you have an attribute you can raise solely for that purpose?
95/85 doesn't sound unreasonable for a CB if he has 9+ in SDC, but what if you don't want to do that?
What if you can get the same acceleration/top speed by raising speed another 10 points instead, which is cheaper (assuming you don't get AEQ) Then you can use those resources (left over SP and AEQ option) on something else, making you stronger at say... PD or interceptions or forcing fumbles, etc.
Just an idea.
His vision, agility, SV, and SDC are all too low. He didn't get beat because 95 speed isn't enough, he got beat because it's just not a very good build.
So basically:
If you don't raise vision, agility, SV and SDC to compensate for lower speed, then 90 speed is not enough.
That's the recurring premise. I think it's easier and cheaper to raise one attribute than it is to raise two other attributes plus two SAs that aren't early in the tree.
I'm not saying you won't likely raise those attributes anyway, but do you really want to be adjusting their final values on the basis that you need them to make you faster when you have an attribute you can raise solely for that purpose?
95/85 doesn't sound unreasonable for a CB if he has 9+ in SDC, but what if you don't want to do that?
What if you can get the same acceleration/top speed by raising speed another 10 points instead, which is cheaper (assuming you don't get AEQ) Then you can use those resources (left over SP and AEQ option) on something else, making you stronger at say... PD or interceptions or forcing fumbles, etc.
Just an idea.
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Originally posted by Iron Maiden
hmm...why not?
Because those are resources you could spend elsewhere. Nobody has said yet that you need to commit yourself to an SDC piece in order to make 90/90 or 95/85 work, so I can't assume that you need it.
Of course it is logical considering its placement that you'd want an AEQ for it if you're raising it very high, but like I pointed out, if you're not raising it super high you can focus your AEQ elsewhere.
hmm...why not?
Because those are resources you could spend elsewhere. Nobody has said yet that you need to commit yourself to an SDC piece in order to make 90/90 or 95/85 work, so I can't assume that you need it.
Of course it is logical considering its placement that you'd want an AEQ for it if you're raising it very high, but like I pointed out, if you're not raising it super high you can focus your AEQ elsewhere.
Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
So basically:
If you don't raise vision, agility, SV and SDC to compensate for lower speed, then 90 speed is not enough.
That's the recurring premise. I think it's easier and cheaper to raise one attribute than it is to raise two other attributes plus two SAs that aren't early in the tree.
I'm not saying you won't likely raise those attributes anyway, but do you really want to be adjusting their final values on the basis that you need them to make you faster when you have an attribute you can raise solely for that purpose? Investing in those others skills doesn't just compensate for less speed, it makes a more complete build.
95/85 doesn't sound unreasonable for a CB if he has 9+ in SDC, but what if you don't want to do that?
What if you can get the same acceleration/top speed by raising speed another 10 points instead, which is cheaper (assuming you don't get AEQ) Then you can use those resources (left over SP and AEQ option) on something else, making you stronger at say... PD or interceptions or forcing fumbles, etc.
Just an idea.
So you'd rather use your sps to raise one skill that only does one thing (raise your top speed) than raise a skill like vision, which affects everything you do; agility, which affects acceleration, changing direction, and most cb rolls; SDC, which increases your speed, agility, and pass deflections; or super vision, which is one of the best, if not the best, SAs in the game?
The point of investing in an SDC piece is that it is a top two CB SA and costs more, so you save a lot of sps by investing in an SDC AEQ. It also opens up the possibility of taking SDC above 11.
So basically:
If you don't raise vision, agility, SV and SDC to compensate for lower speed, then 90 speed is not enough.
That's the recurring premise. I think it's easier and cheaper to raise one attribute than it is to raise two other attributes plus two SAs that aren't early in the tree.
I'm not saying you won't likely raise those attributes anyway, but do you really want to be adjusting their final values on the basis that you need them to make you faster when you have an attribute you can raise solely for that purpose? Investing in those others skills doesn't just compensate for less speed, it makes a more complete build.
95/85 doesn't sound unreasonable for a CB if he has 9+ in SDC, but what if you don't want to do that?
What if you can get the same acceleration/top speed by raising speed another 10 points instead, which is cheaper (assuming you don't get AEQ) Then you can use those resources (left over SP and AEQ option) on something else, making you stronger at say... PD or interceptions or forcing fumbles, etc.
Just an idea.
So you'd rather use your sps to raise one skill that only does one thing (raise your top speed) than raise a skill like vision, which affects everything you do; agility, which affects acceleration, changing direction, and most cb rolls; SDC, which increases your speed, agility, and pass deflections; or super vision, which is one of the best, if not the best, SAs in the game?
The point of investing in an SDC piece is that it is a top two CB SA and costs more, so you save a lot of sps by investing in an SDC AEQ. It also opens up the possibility of taking SDC above 11.
Edited by Longhornfan1024 on Aug 17, 2009 11:44:39
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