Warrior General Games

Originally posted by whoshotjr
Originally posted by Snakebite99

I love when people come in here bragging about how great their player is doing, and then you realize he's beating up on players 12-15 levels lower. Dont beat your chest if you have a level 45 beating up on level 30s, please

Honestly this line of thinking seemed to help DEs get nerfed in the first place. I think in most cases if you went back to S6 filtered out sacks versus gut jobs and underleveled/poorly built backups, the sack numbers were not that bad.

This is exactly why these "nerfs" are so infuriating.

Looking at actual decent competition, the sack numbers were in no way out of control. People just saw inflated numbers from teams beating up on gutjobs and flipped the fuck out.

Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by tdm13

Originally posted by jrry32




Again, find 10(down from 20) DEs putting up good sack numbers in a league vs. equal level players with no gutted teams.(or that have not played a gutjob)



Are you asking for AAA/Pro or for any leagues outside of BBB? Because I've already shown you one

Well, I mean he could post 10 DEs from BBB but he'd be laughed at.

On a side note, I didn’t have to look real hard to find these guys.

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=119968

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=251068

USA AAA #2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=26316

African Pro League
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=134364

African AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=405585

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=379574

And this is just scratching the surface, but I am not going any further. You want more. look it up yourself

Originally posted by Coltzilla
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by tdm13


Originally posted by jrry32





Again, find 10(down from 20) DEs putting up good sack numbers in a league vs. equal level players with no gutted teams.(or that have not played a gutjob)



Are you asking for AAA/Pro or for any leagues outside of BBB? Because I've already shown you one

Well, I mean he could post 10 DEs from BBB but he'd be laughed at.

On a side note, I didn’t have to look real hard to find these guys.

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=119968

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=251068

USA AAA #2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=26316

African Pro League
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=134364

African AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=405585

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=379574

And this is just scratching the surface, but I am not going any further. You want more. look it up yourself


I'll bet 5 bucks these guys don't all match the criteria jrry gave

^^^

One of them is a DT...lol

Originally posted by tjsexy82
Originally posted by Coltzilla

Originally posted by jrry32


Originally posted by tdm13



Originally posted by jrry32






Again, find 10(down from 20) DEs putting up good sack numbers in a league vs. equal level players with no gutted teams.(or that have not played a gutjob)



Are you asking for AAA/Pro or for any leagues outside of BBB? Because I've already shown you one

Well, I mean he could post 10 DEs from BBB but he'd be laughed at.

On a side note, I didn’t have to look real hard to find these guys.

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=119968

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=251068

USA AAA #2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=26316

African Pro League
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=134364

African AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=405585

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=379574

And this is just scratching the surface, but I am not going any further. You want more. look it up yourself


I'll bet 5 bucks these guys don't all match the criteria jrry gave

HAHAHAHA first one I clicked was the Africa Pro guy. Has 15 sacks. All 15 in 2 gutted games.

The failboat is coming for you sir.

Originally posted by Maddoc
Originally posted by whoshotjr

Originally posted by Snakebite99


I love when people come in here bragging about how great their player is doing, and then you realize he's beating up on players 12-15 levels lower. Dont beat your chest if you have a level 45 beating up on level 30s, please

Honestly this line of thinking seemed to help DEs get nerfed in the first place. I think in most cases if you went back to S6 filtered out sacks versus gut jobs and underleveled/poorly built backups, the sack numbers were not that bad.

This is exactly why these "nerfs" are so infuriating.

Looking at actual decent competition, the sack numbers were in no way out of control. People just saw inflated numbers from teams beating up on gutjobs and flipped the fuck out.

Exactly.

My under-leveled OT had NO trouble stopping dominant DEs in Season 6, even if they were significantly higher in level.

Honestly, it really didn't take much. 50 Speed/70 Agility could basically shutdown almost anyone in Season 6, yet they had to go and fuck with the program, anyway.

They gave in to people like Ken1, who cried all day on the forums, because his DE didn't get any Sacks, so he didn't want anyone else to have any fun, either.

Originally posted by Coltzilla
Originally posted by jrry32

Originally posted by tdm13


Originally posted by jrry32





Again, find 10(down from 20) DEs putting up good sack numbers in a league vs. equal level players with no gutted teams.(or that have not played a gutjob)



Are you asking for AAA/Pro or for any leagues outside of BBB? Because I've already shown you one

Well, I mean he could post 10 DEs from BBB but he'd be laughed at.

On a side note, I didn’t have to look real hard to find these guys.

USA AAA #1 Gut Job.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=119968

USA AAA #1 Entirety of his sacks were from lopsided games.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=251068

USA AAA #2 Played blowouts
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=26316

African Pro League APL. Do I need to say anything more?
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=134364

African AAA #1Played blowouts.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=405585

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=379574

And I am either lying through my teeth or have not taken a single look at the opposition of any of these guys.

Fixed your post.

Originally posted by tjsexy82
Originally posted by Coltzilla

Originally posted by jrry32


Originally posted by tdm13



Originally posted by jrry32






Again, find 10(down from 20) DEs putting up good sack numbers in a league vs. equal level players with no gutted teams.(or that have not played a gutjob)



Are you asking for AAA/Pro or for any leagues outside of BBB? Because I've already shown you one

Well, I mean he could post 10 DEs from BBB but he'd be laughed at.

On a side note, I didn’t have to look real hard to find these guys.

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=119968

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=251068

USA AAA #2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=26316

African Pro League
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=134364

African AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=405585

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=379574

And this is just scratching the surface, but I am not going any further. You want more. look it up yourself


I'll bet 5 bucks these guys don't all match the criteria jrry gave

30+ Sacks a season isn’t enough to satisfy?

Originally posted by Coltzilla
Originally posted by tjsexy82

Originally posted by Coltzilla


Originally posted by jrry32



Originally posted by tdm13




Originally posted by jrry32







Again, find 10(down from 20) DEs putting up good sack numbers in a league vs. equal level players with no gutted teams.(or that have not played a gutjob)



Are you asking for AAA/Pro or for any leagues outside of BBB? Because I've already shown you one

Well, I mean he could post 10 DEs from BBB but he'd be laughed at.

On a side note, I didn’t have to look real hard to find these guys.

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=119968

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=251068

USA AAA #2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=26316

African Pro League
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=134364

African AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=405585

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=379574

And this is just scratching the surface, but I am not going any further. You want more. look it up yourself


I'll bet 5 bucks these guys don't all match the criteria jrry gave

30+ Sacks a season isn’t enough to satisfy?

Not when they come in 200 point losses (or wins...whatever)

Originally posted by Coltzilla

African AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=405585


LOL

All 26 sacks came in 255-0 games.

Try again.

Originally posted by tdm13
joe, I see your response to my post and since I don't want to add to quote pyramids, I will make a new post.

The same can be said for my build. I've worked a few seasons to create an awesome agility DE and my build isn't rounded either. I don't have enough vision or strength to compete with some OTs in my league, and get pancaked a few times a game as a result. So the same argument can be made for my build. It's all about perspective I guess.

The advantage goes to the OT because the interaction makes it hard for you to pass the OT because of re-engaging the blocks. It's hard to "blow by" the OT any more because they always complete their backstep perfectly and you are forced to engage once and up to 4 times a snap. I obviously don't know how my DE will pan out in the high levels, but I was merely providing some evidence in a cap 24 league that I think is very competitive this season.

I hear what you're saying. The 2 DE's I own were around your lvl when they were both doing well. s7 saw them do good (lvl 28-31, 39 sacks total). s8, my LE did well (lvl 31-34) 20 sacks, 14 against good comp), but the RE disappeared. s9, so far the LE is doing ok (lvl 37-38 4 sacks). Even when we played a gut job, we had 3 total sacks. You may have a great DE, but we wanted to point out what's going on is all. It's disappointing to see them suddenly become crap overnight.

Right now, the only way to get true production is to either:
1. Play teams you severely outlevel, and even then you need to be a total badass
2. Are low enough that OT's haven't worked on SPD/AGI enough that you can still get around them.
3. Play an extremely bad build, and I have seen even those do well against good DE's, when before they'd get smacked around like they should have.

Originally posted by Coltzilla
Originally posted by tjsexy82

Originally posted by Coltzilla


Originally posted by jrry32



Originally posted by tdm13




Originally posted by jrry32







Again, find 10(down from 20) DEs putting up good sack numbers in a league vs. equal level players with no gutted teams.(or that have not played a gutjob)



Are you asking for AAA/Pro or for any leagues outside of BBB? Because I've already shown you one

Well, I mean he could post 10 DEs from BBB but he'd be laughed at.

On a side note, I didn’t have to look real hard to find these guys.

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=119968

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=251068

USA AAA #2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=26316

African Pro League
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=134364

African AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=405585

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=379574

And this is just scratching the surface, but I am not going any further. You want more. look it up yourself


I'll bet 5 bucks these guys don't all match the criteria jrry gave

30+ Sacks a season isn’t enough to satisfy?

Jrry: find 10(down from 20) DEs putting up good sack numbers in a league vs. equal level players with no gutted teams.(or that have not played a gutjob)

You: Here's lots of players who got all their sacks versus gutted teams!

I stopped at the USA AAA#2 guy. They all played gutted teams.

Originally posted by tjsexy82
Originally posted by Coltzilla

Originally posted by tjsexy82


Originally posted by Coltzilla



Originally posted by jrry32




Originally posted by tdm13





Originally posted by jrry32








Again, find 10(down from 20) DEs putting up good sack numbers in a league vs. equal level players with no gutted teams.(or that have not played a gutjob)



Are you asking for AAA/Pro or for any leagues outside of BBB? Because I've already shown you one

Well, I mean he could post 10 DEs from BBB but he'd be laughed at.

On a side note, I didn’t have to look real hard to find these guys.

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=119968

USA AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=251068

USA AAA #2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=26316

African Pro League
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=134364

African AAA #1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=405585

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=379574

And this is just scratching the surface, but I am not going any further. You want more. look it up yourself


I'll bet 5 bucks these guys don't all match the criteria jrry gave

30+ Sacks a season isn’t enough to satisfy?

Jrry: find 10(down from 20) DEs putting up good sack numbers in a league vs. equal level players with no gutted teams.(or that have not played a gutjob)

You: Here's lots of players who got all their sacks versus gutted teams!


Exactly!

I think he's looking at the leagues, but not really the games.