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My first WR

Strength: 8 Blocking: 8
Speed: 20 Tackling: 8
Agility: 11.43 Throwing: 10
Jumping: 13 Catching: 13
Stamina: 13 Carrying: 10
Vision: 12 Kicking: 8
Confidence: 10 Punting: 9

note: There are 4 equipment pts in speed. yes I rolled a 16 speed.
I also have all the initial 15 SPs available.

Here is my plan:
1. Train speed till about 19; then wait until I level up to 4 and soft cap speed.
2. Train agility, after reaching 19 speed, to about 25. Then soft cap.
3. Train vision to about 23.
4. Train catching to 25.
5. soft cap vision and catching

Any tips? I think my first and second ideas are good, i just don't know about 3 and 4.

Thanks

edit: link http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=861121

Do not play games. You will reach a soft cap one level earlier.
It is also decent advice to say that you should put no more points into an attribute when you know that the next level will allow it to reach the soft cap.
IE: Attribute is 23, you will have 25 (lv.3) points next level up, 25+23=48 (soft cap). Stop raising the attribute in question. Getting it one point higher will not get you closer to the soft cap considering you will reach it when you level either way.Put those points into a new, lower attribute and gain max training value.

What do you mean by "Don't play games?" Why not play?

It's called "slow building". If you don't play games, you train ten times from level 1-2, and eleven times from 2-3. Other players would train maybe four times from 1-2, and four to five times from 2-3 since they are gaining the experience from playing games. This means that at their level you will have higher stats.
Of course, if it's absolutely unbearable to refrain... Go right ahead.

Oh, that makes sense now. I don't know if I can handle no games though considering he's already got a TD in his 1st scrimmage game.

thanks though

Daddy Warbucks, read up on slow building. You are wrong about not playing games. Slow building means training an attribute and not spending skill points until you can reach level 48 in an attribute. Sure you can get more out of your training if you dont play a season but who wants to do that? I sure dont. Also you have to retire your player eventually. Might as well get as much experience as you can and not waste games.

Originally posted by skel1977
Daddy Warbucks, read up on slow building. You are wrong about not playing games. Slow building means training an attribute and not spending skill points until you can reach level 48 in an attribute. Sure you can get more out of your training if you dont play a season but who wants to do that? I sure dont. Also you have to retire your player eventually. Might as well get as much experience as you can and not waste games.

A slow builder who doesn't play game to start out his career, though they might end up good for their level, will never be better than a slow builder who plays games, period. You only sit out of games if you have some pretty fucking well thought out plans about joining an expansion team and you want to time your XP just right so you end up with an advantage in the league you join.

Oh and I don't know why I quoted you, everything you said is correct, and I wasn't really responding to you, I was just making a statement, lol.

Originally posted by skel1977
Daddy Warbucks, read up on slow building. You are wrong about not playing games. Slow building means training an attribute and not spending skill points until you can reach level 48 in an attribute. Sure you can get more out of your training if you dont play a season but who wants to do that? I sure dont. Also you have to retire your player eventually. Might as well get as much experience as you can and not waste games.

hes not WRONG, hes just talking about the boring not as effective as people claim super slow building. Yea, youre a beast at lvl 7, but you lose 3 seasons doing that and by the time you catch up in levels youre not that much ahead of a guy who does the regular slow build.

Okay, you do it your way.

My point was that not playing games creates more of a stat division with those of your level.

Boring? That's relative and not my place to decide for you. Furthermore the two "guides" on slow-building are trash and not at all useful. They give a basic outline of the process with no real information.

Is it effective? Yes. Very. It'd take you 4 seasons and 4 days into the fifth season to reach level 13 without playing games or boosting, assuming you began on day 1 of the first season. The effect is less playtime in your career, but if your interest is being the best -for your level- there are two ways to do it: the half-assed way of playing games and saving your attributes, or the more beneficial (more boring) route of using training to improve your character far beyond others. The latter is undoubtedly more effective. Period. Join a level 13 league with that player, be an all-star in the league, enjoy the game. If your teammates/Owner(s) are any good, maybe you go up a division and dominate there too.

I'm currently doing exactly that with 8 players on my own team. Since I'm paying their salaries, they'll be able to train on intense for quite a few levels.
My K soft capped kicking at level 2 and my level 3 HB will soft cap speed by the off season.

sorry guys but for a WR, doing the extreme/boring slow build isnt very effective. we need high numbers in so many categories that training past 25 or so because very ineffective, considering you could be training another, lower, skill for sometimes twice as much of an increase per night. super slow build a center or a DT? sure. but its much less effective with a WR

knudlen, I think your right if you put it all on one stat, but for a WR, what if you train everything to 25? Get speed, agility, vision, and catching to 25. So that's what, 25 SPs for each attribute? So 100 SPs....whew, that's a lot.....(doing the math, if you want to call it that, while I'm typing). How much will that make it if you're say, a level 10?..... 60 SPs? eh, that's not enough....

Ick, it would take a while to get a solid WR. However, slow building is the only way to get an effective player (or should I say "a potential star" player).

Originally posted by jlusch21
knudlen, I think your right if you put it all on one stat, but for a WR, what if you train everything to 25? Get speed, agility, vision, and catching to 25. So that's what, 25 SPs for each attribute? So 100 SPs....whew, that's a lot.....(doing the math, if you want to call it that, while I'm typing). How much will that make it if you're say, a level 10?..... 60 SPs? eh, that's not enough....

Ick, it would take a while to get a solid WR. However, slow building is the only way to get an effective player (or should I say "a potential star" player).

Yea but at that point, why are you super slow building instead of 'effective' slow building? Doing that method while not playing games doesnt make your guy any better, youre just losing seasons. you cant get the SP to raise those 25s without a lot of levels, and you cant get a lot of levels without playing. Long term, doing a super slow build actually HURTS your guy because instead of getting 1 thing at a time to soft cap, like you do with a regular slow build, you got a bunch of things sitting at 25 and losing out on the whole reason to get to the soft cap. You perform better in the D leagues (cause a guy with a lot of mid 20s is still gonna do well at level 5) but youre not going to be ahead of anyone in A leagues. You'll just be 3 seasons older with slightly higher tertiary stats and lower main ones.

Originally posted by knudlen
Yea but at that point, why are you super slow building instead of 'effective' slow building? Doing that method while not playing games doesnt make your guy any better, youre just losing seasons. you cant get the SP to raise those 25s without a lot of levels, and you cant get a lot of levels without playing. Long term, doing a super slow build actually HURTS your guy because instead of getting 1 thing at a time to soft cap, like you do with a regular slow build, you got a bunch of things sitting at 25 and losing out on the whole reason to get to the soft cap. You perform better in the D leagues (cause a guy with a lot of mid 20s is still gonna do well at level 5) but youre not going to be ahead of anyone in A leagues. You'll just be 3 seasons older with slightly higher tertiary stats and lower main ones.

Slow building requires that you reach soft caps, the difference is many people will play games while they slow build making the effect of slow building extremely minimal. It makes them better than players who don't focus on soft capping(slightly), but the method of not playing takes you far beyond that. It does hurt you, like you said, in the sense that 1. You will not be the highest leveled player in the game (but if you're making a character right now, good luck with than anyway) 2. You will not get a full ten seasons of play before your stats begin diminishing (the real disadvantage), but on the plus side, you have the chance of playing what seasons you do have at a much higher level of play, if you have equal level competition, if you distributed your stats and training wisely, and have a good team supporting you. Obviously there are many factors to success, this is only one method of optimizing that.

How many seasons is a player estimated to last ? I've heard about 10 .

You use 5 seasons+ to be level 13 .

Normal slowbuilding: let's take my CB that I made this season - currently level 10 with 633 exp . when I boost him for this season that's level 13 . Wait what now ? I'm the same level as you , only 4 seasons ahead of you . so that would make me level (not counting ANY training exp or game exp) 25 by boosting alone and maybe like 30-35 if we count in training exp and game exp .

Please when this happens let my CB face your WR , lets see who's the more effective ay ?

Remember , there's capped leagues now , but in 5 seasons who knows ? Bort can't keep on adding leagues , some day capped leagues and possibly D-leagues are gone ?

Sorry , not buying your idea because of pure logic as well as the fact that it's no fun having a player for 5 seasons without playing games ??