Warrior General Games

Strength: 9 Blocking: 10
Speed: 65.17 Tackling: 8
Agility: 48.3 Throwing: 8
Jumping: 19.97 Catching: 22.52
Stamina: 29.3 Carrying: 19.79
Vision: 20.68 Kicking: 8
Confidence: 19.23 Punting: 8

Speester Abilities: 33111

Much much much much more catching.

The new QB AI makes him pass more often to a WR with the most catching. Jumping also acts the same way.

Personally, I'd soft-cap catching, get/train jumping up to 30ish and get vision into the 30s.
Once his catching gets up there, he'll be making attempts at catches that would have normally been outside his catching range. This means he'll be dropping more passes. This means he needs more confidence to assure he doesn't go down the tubes.

Originally posted by Kwill-bot
Much much much much more catching.

The new QB AI makes him pass more often to a WR with the most catching.



Has this been instituted in the past two days, because if this went active more than two weeks ago I can assure you that this isn't true in practice.

yea he's just totally wrong. your catching is fine now if you're slotted in the wr3 spot. start bringing up catching vision and jumping and slowing get more speedster stuff.

Originally posted by Kwill-bot
Much much much much more catching.

The new QB AI makes him pass more often to a WR with the most catching. Jumping also acts the same way.


Not completely true. The new QB AI allows for jumping and catching to factor more into whether a WR will catch the ball or not. Previously, the degree of "openess" was more important. So, CB/WR matchups and who has more hops/catching factors as much as who is wide open.

You are likely getting lots of targets on your team because you get more open.

Originally posted by knudlen
yea he's just totally wrong. your catching is fine now if you're slotted in the wr3 spot. start bringing up catching vision and jumping and slowing get more speedster stuff.

Nope, he's right. Bort stated that QB's take into account catching levels when looking for a target. Don't tell someone they're wrong if you're not sure.

EDIT: typo

Nefari, build your WR with solely catching and see how well he gets open. I can tell you the guys on my teams with high catching and high agility get significantly less looks than guys with low agility/catching and higher speed. Seems to make catching somewhat worthless for getting more looks, huh?

Originally posted by Mob-6
Nefari, build your WR with solely catching and see how well he gets open. I can tell you the guys on my teams with high catching and high agility get significantly less looks than guys with low agility/catching and higher speed. Seems to make catching somewhat worthless for getting more looks, huh?

I agree with Mob-6, speed is more important. On team I have a WR, he's the fastest and has the highest catching out of all the WRs so he get's the most looks. But the 2nd fastest WR on the team with significantly lower catching gets an equal amount of passes because he can get open, although he does have quite a few drops.

Edit: Don't put any points in vision, the most you'll need is 25. Train it but don't put any SP in it.

Originally posted by Mob-6
Nefari, build your WR with solely catching and see how well he gets open. I can tell you the guys on my teams with high catching and high agility get significantly less looks than guys with low agility/catching and higher speed. Seems to make catching somewhat worthless for getting more looks, huh?

Oh shut up. Obviously you need speed and agilty, I never said I liked catching better than them because they are extremely more important stats than catching. I was commenting on the guy who said that catching does not get you more looks. Bort himself stated in a thread (too lazy to find it) that QB's now factor in a receiver's catching lvl when making a decision. If two WR's are equally covered, the one with a higher catching level will more likely than not get the target.

Please stop with the condescending tone and try to understand what I'm saying before you post an ignorant response

Originally posted by Nefari
Originally posted by Mob-6

Nefari, build your WR with solely catching and see how well he gets open. I can tell you the guys on my teams with high catching and high agility get significantly less looks than guys with low agility/catching and higher speed. Seems to make catching somewhat worthless for getting more looks, huh?

Oh shut up. Obviously you need speed and agilty, I never said I liked catching better than them because they are extremely more important stats than catching. I was commenting on the guy who said that catching does not get you more looks. Bort himself stated in a thread (too lazy to find it) that QB's now factor in a receiver's catching lvl when making a decision. If two WR's are equally covered, the one with a higher catching level will more likely than not get the target.

Please stop with the condescending tone and try to understand what I'm saying before you post an ignorant response

First, off you seem to be a master of the condescending tone with statements such as "Don't tell someone their wrong," and "Shut up," and "ignorant response." Second of all in regards to your comment about understanding what people are saying before responding, do you even know what this post is about or have you read the original posters question? I'm fairly sure you haven't, otherwise you wouldn't have opened your mouth. The original poster wanted build advice, someone commented that catching was the way to go because it increases the ability to get open, which though it may be true, isn't the best way to get open, so if the purpose is to get open it would be more intelligent to plug speed. If your going to come into a thread and shoot off half cocked make sure you understand what it going on. Rant off.

Originally posted by Mob-6
Originally posted by Nefari

Originally posted by Mob-6


Nefari, build your WR with solely catching and see how well he gets open. I can tell you the guys on my teams with high catching and high agility get significantly less looks than guys with low agility/catching and higher speed. Seems to make catching somewhat worthless for getting more looks, huh?

Oh shut up. Obviously you need speed and agilty, I never said I liked catching better than them because they are extremely more important stats than catching. I was commenting on the guy who said that catching does not get you more looks. Bort himself stated in a thread (too lazy to find it) that QB's now factor in a receiver's catching lvl when making a decision. If two WR's are equally covered, the one with a higher catching level will more likely than not get the target.

Please stop with the condescending tone and try to understand what I'm saying before you post an ignorant response

First, off you seem to be a master of the condescending tone with statements such as "Don't tell someone their wrong," and "Shut up," and "ignorant response." Second of all in regards to your comment about understanding what people are saying before responding, do you even know what this post is about or have you read the original posters question? I'm fairly sure you haven't, otherwise you wouldn't have opened your mouth. The original poster wanted build advice, someone commented that catching was the way to go because it increases the ability to get open, which though it may be true, isn't the best way to get open, so if the purpose is to get open it would be more intelligent to plug speed. If your going to come into a thread and shoot off half cocked make sure you understand what it going on. Rant off.

I understand exactly what this thread is about. In case you were wondering, I was responding to the guy who I quoted, not the threadstarter. Either way, if you think that 22 catching is enough for a lvl 16 WR, you don't know as much about receivers as you think you do. I'm sure you don't as you don't come across as stupid

The purpose is NOT to only get open. The purpose of the thread, I'm sure, is to increase the production of the TS's WR. If you think that pumping speed past the first soft cap would be more important than bumping his catching into at least the mid 30's, I'm going to say you're wrong.

The only point of my first post was to inform people that catching did indeed factor into a QB's decision making process and that the people above me who discarded the idea were wrong. I was simply trying to separate the true information from the false.

Can't we all just get along? LoL

Originally posted by Nefari

The only point of my first post was to inform people that catching did indeed factor into a QB's decision making process and that the people above me who discarded the idea were wrong. I was simply trying to separate the true information from the false.

really? where are you getting your information? cause see, mob6 is posting stuff that people actually, you know, KNOW? From everything i've seen, possession builds (which really more so, or at least dip into SAs early than, speed builds) are getting targetted at much lower numbers, as a community, than speed builds. In fact, all evidence ive seen is point to the fact that catch DOES NOT factor in as much to the QB risk assessment as, i dunno, a speedster who has used an SA to get open. Speed SAs work before the throw, possession after the throw. All evidence is pointing to a downward trend in possession build targets. If you have anything other than anecdotal evidence against this, i'm sure myself and the rest of the community would love to see it. You yourself said 'two receivers of equal openness'. The point is, a speedster is never going to be equally open. Misusing a bort quote youre too lazy to find that we already read, but correctly, isn't going to change the facts.

Loud Noises!

Originally posted by knudlen
Originally posted by Nefari


The only point of my first post was to inform people that catching did indeed factor into a QB's decision making process and that the people above me who discarded the idea were wrong. I was simply trying to separate the true information from the false.

really? where are you getting your information? cause see, mob6 is posting stuff that people actually, you know, KNOW? From everything i've seen, possession builds (which really more so, or at least dip into SAs early than, speed builds) are getting targetted at much lower numbers, as a community, than speed builds. In fact, all evidence ive seen is point to the fact that catch DOES NOT factor in as much to the QB risk assessment as, i dunno, a speedster who has used an SA to get open. Speed SAs work before the throw, possession after the throw. All evidence is pointing to a downward trend in possession build targets. If you have anything other than anecdotal evidence against this, i'm sure myself and the rest of the community would love to see it. You yourself said 'two receivers of equal openness'. The point is, a speedster is never going to be equally open. Misusing a bort quote youre too lazy to find that we already read, but correctly, isn't going to change the facts.

When your speed receiver is covered by a cb that is just as fast and just as agile as you and another receiver with soft capped speed/agi but 35 pts in catching is also covered, the target will more than likely go to the one with more catching. I'd find you the quote, but really, i don't have the time to look through thousands of posts trying to find it.

Read this, it's even nice and bold for you guys

Nowhere did i say that a possession build would be better, or more effective than a speedster build. What I DID say was that a higher lvl of catching helps catch the ball, increase the range of balls you can catch and that it DOES factor into a QB's decision making. Once again, if you think that passing the first soft cap in speed or agility before getting your catching past 22 is the way to go, more power to you, but that is definitely not the way I would advise the TS to go.