Warrior General Games

These are my stats without equipment. Also what should I get my equipment bonus towards as I am signing with a new team and getting new equipment. Where should I spend my SP's to get the most benefit out of them. Pancakes don't matter to me.

Strength: 65.25 Blocking: 64.55
Speed: 25.23 Tackling: 15.25
Agility: 37.16 Throwing: 7
Jumping: 9 Catching: 7
Stamina: 34.76 Carrying: 10
Vision: 32.85 Kicking: 8
Confidence: 35.77 Punting: 9

Pass- 5-3-3-4-7 (Includes plus 1 bonus)
Run- 3-2-2-2-2

line general? no point spending 3 each on str/blk anymore imo.

equip on strength

Originally posted by Octowned
line general? no point spending 3 each on str/blk anymore imo.

equip on strength

I can point to a dozen level 15-20 centers with more strength and blocking than this guy. You are gonna be behind on strength and blocking for your career as you hit the soft caps too late.

those are without equipment. Though I agree, he did get to the 60-cap way too late

Originally posted by Octowned
those are without equipment. Though I agree, he did get to the 60-cap way too late

My level 16 has hit the 68 cap in both strength and nearly hit the 68 cap in blocking blocking.

Success building a center is all about hitting the caps early before you fall too far behind

Originally posted by naraic
Originally posted by Octowned

those are without equipment. Though I agree, he did get to the 60-cap way too late

My level 16 has hit the 68 cap in both strength and nearly hit the 68 cap in blocking blocking.

Success building a center is all about hitting the caps early before you fall too far behind

I agree with this. using nariac's C as an example to compare to the OP, we'll assume that "nearly hit the 68 blocking cap" means that he will definitely hit it by level 18 (probably 17, but let's just be safe), and we will assume that "has hit the 68 cap in str" means he didn't go over it, but just hit it. so we can assume his C will be 70 str, 68 blk at level 18 (and for the sake of ease, we'll assume he's exactly at those numbers). We will also assume that he will never spend another sp on str/blk after he gets to that level.

so by level 29, nariac's C will have 79.25/77.25 (4 to each stat through level 22, then 5.25 to each stat through level 29) compared to the 65.25/64.55 in the original post. that's 14 natural str and nearly 13 natural blocking which means that if the C in the original post wanted to "catch up", he'd have to spend more than 81 sp. (it's actually quite a bit more, since I just multiplied the difference by 3, and the cost per skill level would average a decent amount higher, I just didn't feel like calculating the true cost so went with the min).

When I said I have hit the cap in strength I meant I hit it a few levels ago and natural progression coasted me onwards, 72 will be my strength and 68.5 will be my blocking when I hit level 17. So by level 29 I should have 82.5 strength and blocking at 78.5.

The OP will have to spend 21SP to hit the 4 cap, another 40 to the 5 cap of 73, and I'm assuming that the 6 cap is around 80, to catch my blocking of 78 thats an other 25SP and my strength will be 42SP or so.

Thats 128 SP into strength and blocking to equal where I will be by your level if I never put a point in strength and blocking past level 17.

The thing is centers from before the day when the science of soft capping was known about are gonna suffer from being behind lower level centers for a lot of their careers and if they try to catch up they will suffer the higher costs of investing past the caps.

The only way you can hope to survive in the long term will be by playing in leagues lower than your level or maybe by playing guard (guards don't get as much of an advantage from hitting caps early) but then you waste your general points. At any rate hit the next caps ASAP, there is a lot of higher leveled centers out there whose build fails compares to the next generation of centers so you may be able to stay with them by hitting the caps ASAP.

Thanks for the advice. I am realizing more and more how important it is to mix max and get to the soft caps asap. I think all the players of that era are going to run into that problem.

Considering I am going to be behind in blocking for the rest of my career would it be a better idea to just pump up my SA's specifically line general?

Originally posted by danamal85
Thanks for the advice. I am realizing more and more how important it is to mix max and get to the soft caps asap. I think all the players of that era are going to run into that problem.

Considering I am going to be behind in blocking for the rest of my career would it be a better idea to just pump up my SA's specifically line general?

All centers will anyway as center is the one position where you are likely to suffer most from ignoring soft caps, well kicker and punter as well. Those 3 are the only positions where there are just two major attributes. A HB or an OT can almost ignore the soft caps as they have so many "major attributes" that the benefits are almost negligible. At least when compared with centers.

I'd almost convert to guard since their gains as they level aren't as big, and you have 9/10SAs that they do, but I'm not sure its a great idea.

help me here ......... what exact "bonus" does a center get for hitting the softcaps of 48, 60, 68 (if thats the 3-1 cap)?

Originally posted by therunner24
help me here ......... what exact "bonus" does a center get for hitting the softcaps of 48, 60, 68 (if thats the 3-1 cap)?

A center gets one point of strength and blocking every time he levels. Other positions have more major attributes so they get less points in each.

Anyway when a center hits 48 strength his point of strength from automatic leveling is 2SP, when he hits 68 its 4SP. Say my center he is currently at 68 blocking and 73 strength (the 5 cap) so he gets 9SP from automatic leveling while someone who has a more balanced build around the same level will have strength and blocking around 60 and only get 6SP from the natural growth, so the center that hit the soft cap early will grow a lot quicker.

A guard has 3 "main attributes", strength blocking and agility and only get .66 in each so soft capping early isn't quite as valuable.

Originally posted by naraic

A guard has 3 "main attributes", strength blocking and agility and only get .66 in each so soft capping early isn't quite as valuable.

not to nitpick, but a G's 3rd major attribute is confidence, not agility. as much as I wish that it were, it is not.

Originally posted by Melancholy
Originally posted by naraic


A guard has 3 "main attributes", strength blocking and agility and only get .66 in each so soft capping early isn't quite as valuable.

not to nitpick, but a G's 3rd major attribute is confidence, not agility. as much as I wish that it were, it is not.


ok fine I don't have a guard, I knew the number of attributes but still the point remains the same

naraic, usually I find your advice spot on, but in this case I'd have to disagree (just a bit).

I think soft capping any position is VERY important and VERY valuable. Even for the positions that have 6 majors (.33/each) it is critical to hit those soft caps hard and heavy. A WR that caps speed at L4 will, by the time they hit L24, have almost 6.5 extra SP because soft capping early! Sure, it's not the 19 or so that a C will have...but if they also hit AGI, CATCH and JMP hard, they'll all add up.

It's actually one of those things that the less valuable others think of it, the more valuable it actually becomes! So, a WR can quickly distinguish themselves by capping early and often vs others who feel it's not as important.

Sadly, everyone realizes for C's that capping is important so everyone does it. The same isn't true for positions like WR, LB, etc (at least for secondary attribs).

Originally posted by PackMan97
naraic, usually I find your advice spot on, but in this case I'd have to disagree (just a bit).

I think soft capping any position is VERY important and VERY valuable. Even for the positions that have 6 majors (.33/each) it is critical to hit those soft caps hard and heavy. A WR that caps speed at L4 will, by the time they hit L24, have almost 6.5 extra SP because soft capping early! Sure, it's not the 19 or so that a C will have...but if they also hit AGI, CATCH and JMP hard, they'll all add up.

It's actually one of those things that the less valuable others think of it, the more valuable it actually becomes! So, a WR can quickly distinguish themselves by capping early and often vs others who feel it's not as important.

Sadly, everyone realizes for C's that capping is important so everyone does it. The same isn't true for positions like WR, LB, etc (at least for secondary attribs).

I'm not saying its not as important for another position, its still vital, sorry for not making that clear. Its an executable offense for a center to have not soft capped strength and blocking by level 7 or so, for another player there is a degree of give in it.