Warrior General Games

End of season is coming close fast, so it's time to spare a few thoughts on this again. It seems lasts seasons process was a bit too complicated or time consuming for some, although in principle I liked it how things went. For that reason I'd suggest a slightly modified approach this time. These suggestions are taking into account my own experiences with the process last season as well as some of the comments and wishes that came up last time around.

For simplification of the process:
- We keep it to three players per position, regardless of how many of them are on the field, these players are ranked 1-2-3
- 5, 3 and 1 points are assigned to a player based on his respective rank
- Ranking is based on number of points, number of first place votes is used as a tie breaker
- DT/NT; LDE/RDE; LOT/ROT; LG/RG are all considered to be one position each. Not quite certain whether to treat MLB/OLB the same or split them up, what does everyone think?

To get more people involved in the voting:
- Up to three ballots per team can be submitted, owner and GM ballots take precedence over player ballots, otherwise timestamp of the according PM decides which ballot counts and which doesn't withing a certain group
- Players from your own team can be nominated, but only if you have two players from other teams listed for that position as well, otherwise that nomination will be ignored

Miscellaneous:
- The ballot counter withholds the rights to ignore any ballots that are obviously not meant to be taken serious (I envision a certain person to submit one with their own single player listed in every single position, isn't that right T-Noles? )

Timeframe:
- Voting starts with the end of the regular season and ends the day of the Conference Championship games


And yes, this season we should put owners and GMs and an MVP vote back on the ballot, I totally forgot to do that last season.

So, anyone got any comments, suggestions, additions?

I think it's foolish to have 3 QBs and 3 OGs.

I'd like to bring the nomination for "combined" positions to 5 players each, with the top 3-4 being "All-Pro" or w/e.

Other positions (QB, HB etc.) would get 3 players each, with the top 2 getting the honors.

I would also say you can't vote for ANY of your team's players. If they're good they'll get recognition.

I'll probably be sending you my picks again this season. Probably after the season.

Originally posted by boomer82
I'd like to bring the nomination for "combined" positions to 5 players each, with the top 3-4 being "All-Pro" or w/e.

Other positions (QB, HB etc.) would get 3 players each, with the top 2 getting the honors.

I would also say you can't vote for ANY of your team's players. If they're good they'll get recognition.
I am going by last seasons ballots here. Many people apparently could not manage to put 5 names for a position on the ballot, resulting in just one to three nominations at a 5 player position. We had differentiated with 3 and 5 player positions, and it just seemed as if that might have been too much for many people, which is why I propose to reduce the number. Maybe a 3/4 would work a bit better than the 3/5 we used?

Of course the eventual AllStar Team would have for instance twice as many guards as centers or quarterbacks, just like last season.

As for the players from your own team, we had this discussion before, and there never was a general consensus. The proposal is pretty much a compromise between all positions that were brought forward last season, actually there was a restriction of 3 players from your own team on the ballot, and several people wanted to put on more. I get the feeling that if we do not make allowances for players from your own team the overall number of ballots put in will be lower than it would be this way.

Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by boomer82

I'd like to bring the nomination for "combined" positions to 5 players each, with the top 3-4 being "All-Pro" or w/e.

Other positions (QB, HB etc.) would get 3 players each, with the top 2 getting the honors.

I would also say you can't vote for ANY of your team's players. If they're good they'll get recognition.
I am going by last seasons ballots here. Many people apparently could not manage to put 5 names for a position on the ballot, resulting in just one to three nominations at a 5 player position. We had differentiated with 3 and 5 player positions, and it just seemed as if that might have been too much for many people, which is why I propose to reduce the number. Maybe a 3/4 would work a bit better than the 3/5 we used?

Of course the eventual AllStar Team would have for instance twice as many guards as centers or quarterbacks, just like last season.

As for the players from your own team, we had this discussion before, and there never was a general consensus. The proposal is pretty much a compromise between all positions that were brought forward last season, actually there was a restriction of 3 players from your own team on the ballot, and several people wanted to put on more. I get the feeling that if we do not make allowances for players from your own team the overall number of ballots put in will be lower than it would be this way.



There will also be an increase in people just voting for their team, which will water down the overall balloting.

That works for the players by position, should even out enough.

I like not being able to vote for your own team because it forces you to look elsewhere for talent instead of just stomping your feet and holding your breath until your team gets all the props.

Originally posted by boomer82

I would also say you can't vote for ANY of your team's players. If they're good they'll get recognition.I say fuck that. I try and objectively vote on the best player for that season (usually based on stats)....if it happens to be one of my teammates, then so be it. If it's close and requires some subjective decision, then o.k., I don't take my own guy.

But I'm not going to put some asshole on my ballot who doesn't deserve to be there just because I'm not supposed to put one of my own guys.

Originally posted by boomer82

There will also be an increase in people just voting for their team, which will water down the overall balloting.

That works for the players by position, should even out enough.

I like not being able to vote for your own team because it forces you to look elsewhere for talent instead of just stomping your feet and holding your breath until your team gets all the props.
If someone is doing that then their ballot shouldn't get any consideration.

You should be able to pick your own teammates if they are clearly AllStar caliber. I voted for Corey Smith last year (for example), not because he was on my team, but because he lead the conference in just about every meaningful passing category.

Originally posted by Zickzack
Not quite certain whether to treat MLB/OLB the same or split them up, what does everyone think?
I missed this. I think we should just lump them together. It's too hard to keep track of who is playing where on every team, and some guys start at OLB but split time at MLB as well. It was hard enough finding 6-7 clear cut AllStar caliber LBs, and having to split them up between MLB and OLB just compounds the problem.

Basically, I don't think there necessarily needs to be a distinction between the two.

Originally posted by Hampe
Originally posted by boomer82


There will also be an increase in people just voting for their team, which will water down the overall balloting.

That works for the players by position, should even out enough.

I like not being able to vote for your own team because it forces you to look elsewhere for talent instead of just stomping your feet and holding your breath until your team gets all the props.
If someone is doing that then their ballot shouldn't get any consideration.

You should be able to pick your own teammates if they are clearly AllStar caliber. I voted for Corey Smith last year (for example), not because he was on my team, but because he lead the conference in just about every meaningful passing category.


Using your example, it wouldn't matter because he was clearly going to get a majority of the votes due to his stats. The best players will get the most votes, removing voting for your own team gives the ballot the highest level of objectivity.

I'm willing to let ZZ make the call on whether or not someone is being overly biased and picking their own players just because of the uniform they wear.

I vote for an honor system where the submitters are assumed to be as objective as possible. If something is clearly awry (the T-Noles example in the OP, for instance), then that ballot will be tossed.

can we just give all the awards to the roughnecks and pimps and be done with it?

Originally posted by coreyls18
can we just give all the awards to the Aggies and pimps and be done with it?

Yes of course

Originally posted by porky
Originally posted by coreyls18

can we just give all the awards to the Aggies and pimps and be done with it?

Yes of course

That was a lot easier then actually training the whole year Corey, we should have been notified we were getting the awards at the beginning of the season

thats what im screaming

Just my two cents on how we ran it last year in AAA1 (and it turned out great).

1. Limiting the number of ballots is silly. Not everyone is going to take the time to vote anyway, so limiting yourself from the start actually hurts the integrity of the process by limiting your pool. We did it the way the NFL, NBA and MLB does it, players, owners and fans all get to vote. One ballot each (or, one ballot per agent).

2. There should not be a limitation on voting for your own players. Again, it will only limit the already narrow pool of voters. If people are going to take the time to fill out a ballot, then they probably won't waste their time just padding it with their own guys. People on here seem to take this stuff seriously, so opening up the voting will get more (and better) results.

One way to counter the potential of vote stuffing would be to have a unified ballot. That is, have each owner submit a list of players from their team they think are pro-bowl caliber and then use those combined lists to create a ballot people just simply check off. (But this is a lot of time and effort -- more than just trusting people to make real selections).

Just my two cents.