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I was watching the Aces/Kai match earlier on and I noticed that the Aces had 7 drops. After checking the PBP again I noticed that Joe Magician the backup QB threw all seven of the drops.

So how often are drops the fault of the QB and how often the fault of the reciever.

If the QB has too much strength for the WR's or the tactics are set to bullet passes and the QB's can't handle it, then yes. IMO A QB should have at least 10 less strength than the WR's have catching. You can have lower strength and throw bullets and save SP's instead of high strength and throw on medium velocity

Originally posted by bruiser 1234
If the QB has too much strength for the WR's or the tactics are set to bullet passes and the QB's can't handle it, then yes. IMO A QB should have at least 10 less strength than the WR's have catching. You can have lower strength and throw bullets and save SP's instead of high strength and throw on medium velocity

That makes sense. If you just make a QB and he has 15-20 strength it would make sense to put his throwing style to bullet for a while.

Originally posted by naraic
So how often are drops the fault of the QB and how often the fault of the reciever.

A drop is never the QB's fault, lol. That's why it's called a drop, unless of course, the QB decided to throw it to himself and he dropped it.

Originally posted by Skorge
Originally posted by naraic

So how often are drops the fault of the QB and how often the fault of the reciever.

A drop is never the QB's fault, lol. That's why it's called a drop, unless of course, the QB decided to throw it to himself and he dropped it.

Disagree! I Doubt the QB always throws a perfect pass, that is easy to catch every time, unless the WR stinks....Why can't the QB just throw a poor pass? Go through this thread and then post in here with an opinion. http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=855966&page=1 The theory is (in case no one wants to read) that as a WR ups catching, rings around him are growing farther out. These rings are basically %'s of possibly catching the pass. The higher the catching, the wider the rings. Which means that he can catch balls farther away from him, but they are a low % catch. So the drops increase or stay the same for the most part anyways. All theory of course. Just read it for more in depth explenation.

Originally posted by Skorge
Originally posted by naraic

So how often are drops the fault of the QB and how often the fault of the reciever.

A drop is never the QB's fault, lol. That's why it's called a drop, unless of course, the QB decided to throw it to himself and he dropped it.

No.

Think about it this way: What's easier to catch - a ball thrown on a nice arc with a tight spiral, right at the numbers or a ball thrown sloppily 3 feet behind the receiver (or 3 feet over his head)? In the first case, easy catch. In the second two cases, there's more likely to be a drop, obviously. You can blame the WR for that, but he's only partly at fault.

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma

You can blame the WR for that, but he's only partly at fault.

If a WR can't catch a pass thrown right to him then he shouldn't be a WR!

Some of you guys must be new to football. A drop is a drop, plain and simple. A drop is 100% on the WR, not the QB. It doesn't matter if the QB through a bullet or a wobbly pass, it's a drop either way. A ball that is a half a foot away from the WR and the WR makes a play on it by reaching out and diving but misses it - this is not considered a drop. A drop is only a ball that should have been catchable but was not. For example, Joe Montana slinging it in to Jerry Rice, only it goes right in the bread basket and out....now that's a drop, not because Montana slung it in there too hard, but because Rice dropped it. If a WR can catch it, and doesn't - it's his fault. Montana shouldn't have to slow his pass down just so his WRs can catch the ball. His WR's are getting paid big bucks to make that catch.

think thats where the problem is. There is no stat for bad pass. So if it could have been caught even one handed its considered a drop, even though the pass was too high, low, etc.

Originally posted by tackleb0x
think thats where the problem is. There is no stat for bad pass. So if it could have been caught even one handed its considered a drop, even though the pass was too high, low, etc.

Those are the types of scenarios we are talking about. The ones the WR has to dive for, or come back, stuff like that. We obviously know that if it hits him in the numbers it's a drop. We are merely speaking of a QB throwing a ball behind a WR, or to high...etc. Those types of passes a good WR will still make an attempt to catch. We know a drop is a drop, we are just trying to figure out the mechanics of it I guess. But if a QB throws it 5 yards behind the WR and he dives for it, bobbles it, and then loses it. That would be the QB's fault. I know the saying that if it hits your hands it should have been caught, but in some cases that's impossible.

Originally posted by tackleb0x
think thats where the problem is. There is no stat for bad pass. So if it could have been caught even one handed its considered a drop, even though the pass was too high, low, etc.

You are thinking of bad passes, not drops. Drops are drops. Leave it at that, lol...a bad pass does not count as a drop.

Originally posted by zollins5
Originally posted by tackleb0x

think thats where the problem is. There is no stat for bad pass. So if it could have been caught even one handed its considered a drop, even though the pass was too high, low, etc.

Those are the types of scenarios we are talking about. The ones the WR has to dive for, or come back, stuff like that. We obviously know that if it hits him in the numbers it's a drop. We are merely speaking of a QB throwing a ball behind a WR, or to high...etc. Those types of passes a good WR will still make an attempt to catch. We know a drop is a drop, we are just trying to figure out the mechanics of it I guess. But if a QB throws it 5 yards behind the WR and he dives for it, bobbles it, and then loses it. That would be the QB's fault. I know the saying that if it hits your hands it should have been caught, but in some cases that's impossible.

In your example that will not count as a drop. It would be an incomplete pass, but not a drop.

Originally posted by bruiser 1234
If the QB has too much strength for the WR's or the tactics are set to bullet passes and the QB's can't handle it, then yes. IMO A QB should have at least 10 less strength than the WR's have catching. You can have lower strength and throw bullets and save SP's instead of high strength and throw on medium velocity

Borts own words regarding passing style from page 219 of the Recent Upgrades (discussion) thread:

Don't overthink it too much - it's just the angle the QB will throw the ball at. I've found that slower, loftier passes are easier for the receivers to catch because they can get into position much easier and not have to reach out for it. That also means the DB's can get into position, of course...
It's mostly for short passes, where angle doesn't matter as to being able to get the ball to the receiver (such as passes to the HB). Throwing a 50 yard bomb won't be affected at all because you have to put a lot of air under it no matter what...
I'd set it to medium for most QB's, probably. It means he throw it to short guys at around a 10-15 degree angle

To me that indicates that trying to make a low strength, bullet passer is a bad idea since he will not have the strength to throw long but his bullet passes when he throws short might still be hard to catch depending on how slow your low strength makes the pass travel. Bort's own words say it ONLY affects the angle, which means odds are strength is still the stat that determines speed, the ball just LOOKS like it is moving faster in the replays because it is on a flat trajectory so it takes less time to get to the target even though it is traveling at the same speed as a lofty pass. Some testing would need to be done to verify this, but I wouldn't be surprised if such a QB struggled some with medium pass and struggled a LOT with long passes where he can't throw a bullet.

And to answer the original question the answer is BOTH players can be blamed for drops. Maybe not both players on EVERY play but a QB can certainly make things hard on his WR if he throws the ball above or behind the receiver and that could result in him getting a hand on the pass but not bringing it in (those little bobbles you see in the replays). Of course if you listen to my old coach "if you get a hand on it, you can catch it" but it sure is a lot easier if you can get two hands on the ball or if don't have to jump in the air and fight a CB for a bad pass. Not much explanation required for how it could be the WR's fault.

Originally posted by Skorge
Some of you guys must be new to football. A drop is a drop, plain and simple. A drop is 100% on the WR, not the QB. It doesn't matter if the QB through a bullet or a wobbly pass, it's a drop either way. A ball that is a half a foot away from the WR and the WR makes a play on it by reaching out and diving but misses it - this is not considered a drop. A drop is only a ball that should have been catchable but was not. For example, Joe Montana slinging it in to Jerry Rice, only it goes right in the bread basket and out....now that's a drop, not because Montana slung it in there too hard, but because Rice dropped it. If a WR can catch it, and doesn't - it's his fault. Montana shouldn't have to slow his pass down just so his WRs can catch the ball. His WR's are getting paid big bucks to make that catch.i've watched football since i was 3 years old and drops can still be the QB's fault. what about when a QB hangs the WR? what if david carr is throwing the ball? believe me, drops can definitely be blamed on the QB.