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OK where do I start?

Speedster WR lvl 26

His stats have been steadily declining since the first season

This season he is lucky to see 3 throws a game despite being the #1 WR

We have tried him at #1, #2 and #3 spots but he is never thrown to more then 4 times a game. All of our other WRs are getting throws and even our lvl 20 WR out plays him whne he subs for him and is matched up against the same CB.

By watching the replays my guy is generally open or under the coverage but the QB ignores him and favours the other WRs on the team. I know you cant get an accurate idea iof whats happening on the field by that but there are times he is all alone and gets ignored

Here is his build
Strength: 23.66
Blocking: 8.57
Speed: 65.41
Tackling: 9
Agility: 47.54
Throwing: 10
Jumping: 30.3
Catching: 44.15
Stamina: 34.58
Carrying: 24.23
Vision: 34.83
Kicking: 7
Confidence: 28.04
Punting: 8

SA
Possesion 3,3,3,2,1
Speedster 4,4,4,3,3

This is totally crazy that he gets nothing thrown to him despite him being open for at the worst one on one.

Last game he was matched up against a lvl 21 CB and still had nothing thrown to him despite our QB throwing for 300yards.

We have moved him around to get him matched up and was even pitted against a level 17 CB one game and still nothing thrown to him.

We (mostly I) are entirely frustrated confused and getting pissed off that he is not being thrown to regardless of how we set it up even if he dominates his CB.


So what gives guys? Any ideas why he is not part of the team? I am suspecting that there is a hidden attribute that we can not change or see which affects how certain players play with each other. Perhaps our QB simply hates my WR and refuses to throw to him. my other thought is this particular player maybe bugged.

What's the QBs vision ? could be a problem here .

To comment on your build: too many SAs imho .

softcap agility , catching , vision while training confidence to at least 30+ .

Yea the SAs were done a long time ago and have been left alone since then. The funny part of it is he was a better player when he had less skills and more SAs.

Its not my build that is the problem we are convinced of that as the other 3 WRs on the team are lower in all the major WR areas but yet they get thrown to.

The QBs vision is high and he is able to connect with the other WRs, he doesn't even seem to look at my guys.


Also most of my catches are either in the 1st drive or so or the last one. Its like he is a ghost out there.

BTW the recommendations you gave for my build I am almost at the soft caps so even if it was my build the few extra points will not turn this player around.

I just compared him to the #1 WR on one of my teams (he averages 7 catches/game). If I count a 3-4 point difference as basically the same attribute level, then you and he are almost identical. The only difference: he has 12 more on speed, you have 9 more on catching.

Not sure if that tells you anything...

66 speed at level 26 does not qualify as a speedster build. Most of the level 14-16 CBs I face have that much speed. Up your speed by 20 or accept being a possession receiver.

If I was to switch this WR to a possesion Wr where should I put all my equipment?

In regards to speedster build, how about getting agility to the 2nd soft cap since the SA's you've invested in take into account your speed AND agility? Then go and max out those SA trees? Thoughts?

56 targets just over 4.5 avg. targets a game.

28 completions thats 50% completions to you

14 passes were deflected, and of those, a couple were actually caught.

13 drops according to scout report, but only 9 on personal stat page.

Taking all of that into consideration, you could have a completely diff. outlook on your guy had those drops, and some of those incompletes, gone the other way. I am not doubting that you are open on a lot of plays, or that you believe you could be doing a lot better. I am simply stating that part of the problem is our build(the drops) part is you comp.(deflections even though they aren't all to bad) and the other part is the QB just not getting the ball to you when he is throwing to you.

Okay

First does the QB have favorite targets set? (I know I know, but I had to ask)

Second you are outranking all your other WR correct? If so than the teams you could be watching your Depth chart and adjusting their best CB to cover you.

Is your team using the WR#1 WR#2 Depth chart boxes? If so try out the Plain Jane WR Depth chart and see if that helps at all.

We have moved this WR around the WR depth chart and dont use the WR#1 #2 ect.

He has been the favourite target and he still gets only 2 or 3 throws a game.

He is always equal to or higher then the CBs he faces, mostly higher.

The games we have moved him we did so just before the game.


Now this is where it gets all WTF????

This Wr can play against a CB who is lvl 24. On the replays the WR is under his coverage, he has been wide open and he has been open. The QB doesnt throw to him in those situations. The vey few throws he gets it looks like he is coverd very well.

Now, when he comes out of the game for a sub a lvl 20 WR goes into his place and generally faces the same CB and the QB throws to this new low level WR.

Now why would he throw to a lower level WR against the same CB and ignore and not throw to the higher level WR?


This is not a build issue as I have previously stated. Him being thrown to has nothing to do with his build.

This is not a QB vision problem either as he has no problems throwing to the other WRs on our team.

The few throws he gets are generally on the first series of the game or the last. It is like this WR turns into a ghost for the middle game.

This issue is, which I am seriously thinking is now a bug, the QB never seems to want to throw to this particular WR regardless if the WR outmatches the CB or is wide open. He just wont throw to him regardless of what we have set up or tried to do.


One thing I have failed to mention (but someone else brought up) is his high amount of drops even though he has 44 catching.

You seem to have really covered the bases.

Your WR must have said something about the QB's mama. That's the last remaining explanation.

My exact thoughts lol. We are totally stumped at whats wrong.

We may move him in the off season for another WR to see if he plays better with someone else.

I think I will send it in as a bug report and ask them to read this thread so I don't have to explain myself 3 times and keep reminding them that its not a build or settings. lol

Perhaps if your QB has "favor long" set to yes, and your doing shorter routes it leads to you being overlooked. Perhaps you are not actually as open as you appear to be (remember the dots are not 100% accurate depictions of where your player is on the field). Perhaps it is a build problem, but your too stubborn to admit it, so it will go uncorrected.

I mean, my teams slot WR, who is only a level 24, has as combined 22 more points in speed and agility then your player. You might be a level 26, but your "match-ups" against lower level players really don't matter because you have the speed/agility of a level 21-22...

But please feel free to disregard what I'm saying, because "your build is fine" and its far more likely that theres a magic formula that makes your teams QB hate your WR, though no one else in the game seems to be effected by it. That is far more logically correct then simply assuming your build is fine...

Also worth noting, bort has said that if a WR significantly outclasses a CB he will get more looks from the QB. By the same token you can only assume that if a CB outclasses a WR he will get less looks by the QB, which I beleive is whats happening here...

Build suggestions, which you said you don't want:
1. Make sure all equipment (regular and custom) is put towards speed/agility. Re-buy it if necessary.
2. Get speed and agility both to the 2nd softcap. Pick whichever one you want first, as either should help your player actually get open.

But again, what do I know. Its not as if bort has gone on record saying that players have absolutely no attributes that are not visable for you to see... (/sarcasm)

I agree with what you are saying in making my guy better but what you have failed to see is a lvl 20 WR on our team and a lvl 24 with less speed and agility gets a lot more looks even when they are subbed into his spot and facing the same CB, that is why I am here. Currently I am working on more speed and agility. Before this season he had very little agility and has gotten 16 to 20 point increase and the more he got the worse he performed. I read all the threads about high speed low agility getting nerfed and thats why I started to go crazy with agility but it has done more damage then good as he is worse then at the start of the season.

Also this WR has gone up against lvl 16 to 18 WRs with the same results.


I also said earlier that I know the accuracy of the reply is not all that good but when you see you players dot with no other player dots around and watch in horror as the QB tries to throw into triple coverage to a outclassed WR then you start to take notice something is messed up. He is not being seen or the QB refuses to throw to him.


Take a look at my build again and ask yourself is this a build that sucks? Most around here seem to think it is a solid build with room for improvement, as do I. I am well aware my build is not set to dominate but I also know that it is not gimped to the point where he is totally ineffective in each and every game regardless of his match ups.

Todays game we put him in the 3rd spot and he got one pass as opposed to the lvl 24 and 20 WRs getting close to double digits the last few games.


I have watched nearly every replay 5 to 6 times that he has been involved with and there is something not right and a few more skill points in speed and agility don't seem to be the fix because the more I have put in it the worse he has become.


So yes my build can be improved on but no my build is not gimped to the point he is useless either. That is what we are trying to figure out. I will continue to put more speed in him and agility and train on what I need to but it just seems to make him worse.