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I have a LVL 24 WR on a that I GM and he can't seem to get any catches or yards. I've tried everything to make him productive, but it isn't working. I'd like some of you guys to scope out his build and give me any suggestions on what needs to be done to improve him.

Player Attributes
Physical Attributes Football Skills
Strength: 17.93 Blocking: 18.03
Speed: 65.37 Tackling: 10
Agility: 55.69 Throwing: 7
Jumping: 29.04 Catching: 49.37
Stamina: 28.74 Carrying: 30.33
Vision: 36.61 Kicking: 9
Confidence: 25.88 Punting: 7

Special Abilities
Possession Receiver Abilities 22100
Speedster Abilities 33222

Route run maybe? and maybe more Stamina because he could be not maximizing himself during plays because hes tired?

Make sure all equipment is on speed and agility, and just keep pumping speed/agility. Thats all you really can do.

Another option is to use the next level-up for +3 headfake. This is untested, but with borts new changes it 'could' help.

No more vision please. He is already well aware that he's not open. More vision would be cruel....

Oh, and the quick fix option would be to put him as #1 on the depth chart at WR3, and #2 at WR1 and WR2. The match-up vs a worse CB, plus his agility helping in space would do his stats well if all you want is production. He'll still get a ton of plays...

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
No more vision please. He is already well aware that he's not open. More vision would be cruel....

I'm under the assumption that vision helps you get open, helps you catch the ball, and helps you avoid tackles.

I don't see how this would harm any player, though I may be wrong. :-\

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN

No more vision please. He is already well aware that he's not open. More vision would be cruel....

I'm under the assumption that vision helps you get open, helps you catch the ball, and helps you avoid tackles.

I don't see how this would harm any player, though I may be wrong. :-\

It won't hurt any player, but I beleive you greatly over-estimate the effect of vision on a WR.

1. It might slightly help you get open by making you run crisper routes. Speed/agility seem to help much more.

2. It might help you catch the ball because your more ready for it. Catching/sticky hands helps more.

3. It will help you take correct angles to avoid tackles and to run through holes, but WRs are very rarely in the position of having blockers downfield, or a CB who's gonna let you simply run around him without contact.

My point is there are other attribtues that will help the above things MUCH more then vision. The fact that I've seen several successful WRs with 35 vision or less, and zero successful WRs with soft-capped vision, might lead my to be a little bias.

Those posters who reply "soft cap vision" in this forum tend to have unproductive players, no offense meant of course. You could also soft-cap carrying to break more tackles and it won't harm any player, but it certainly wouldn't help you that much on being a better WR.

looking to get open...vison/agility

looking for YAC...strength

dont put anymore in SAs i think unless its one more in route run...especially since ELUSIVE is a big work in progress and has been cut back a bit.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN


No more vision please. He is already well aware that he's not open. More vision would be cruel....

I'm under the assumption that vision helps you get open, helps you catch the ball, and helps you avoid tackles.

I don't see how this would harm any player, though I may be wrong. :-\

It won't hurt any player, but I beleive you greatly over-estimate the effect of vision on a WR.

1. It might slightly help you get open by making you run crisper routes. Speed/agility seem to help much more.

2. It might help you catch the ball because your more ready for it. Catching/sticky hands helps more.

3. It will help you take correct angles to avoid tackles and to run through holes, but WRs are very rarely in the position of having blockers downfield, or a CB who's gonna let you simply run around him without contact.

My point is there are other attribtues that will help the above things MUCH more then vision. The fact that I've seen several successful WRs with 35 vision or less, and zero successful WRs with soft-capped vision, might lead my to be a little bias.

Those posters who reply "soft cap vision" in this forum tend to have unproductive players, no offense meant of course. You could also soft-cap carrying to break more tackles and it won't harm any player, but it certainly wouldn't help you that much on being a better WR.

sorry, but your wrong on the vision and massively wrong about soft capping carrying.

i would love to see those 35+ vision players that arent good and strength is 2x more valuble then carrying...carrying > 30 at level 24 is a waste of SP.

Originally posted by rob12willis
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks


Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN



No more vision please. He is already well aware that he's not open. More vision would be cruel....

I'm under the assumption that vision helps you get open, helps you catch the ball, and helps you avoid tackles.

I don't see how this would harm any player, though I may be wrong. :-\

It won't hurt any player, but I beleive you greatly over-estimate the effect of vision on a WR.

1. It might slightly help you get open by making you run crisper routes. Speed/agility seem to help much more.

2. It might help you catch the ball because your more ready for it. Catching/sticky hands helps more.

3. It will help you take correct angles to avoid tackles and to run through holes, but WRs are very rarely in the position of having blockers downfield, or a CB who's gonna let you simply run around him without contact.

My point is there are other attribtues that will help the above things MUCH more then vision. The fact that I've seen several successful WRs with 35 vision or less, and zero successful WRs with soft-capped vision, might lead my to be a little bias.

Those posters who reply "soft cap vision" in this forum tend to have unproductive players, no offense meant of course. You could also soft-cap carrying to break more tackles and it won't harm any player, but it certainly wouldn't help you that much on being a better WR.

sorry, but your wrong on the vision and massively wrong about soft capping carrying.

i would love to see those 35+ vision players that arent good and strength is 2x more valuble then carrying...carrying > 30 at level 24 is a waste of SP.


He wasn't saying to soft cap it, was using it as an example..

Why would I have high vision unsuccessful WR's on my team to give you examples of? lol.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=46636

Chad Hill has 27 vision. Vision is not necessary to be a great WR in any way shape or form. WR's with low vision still run routes and catch balls.... Its also worth noting that my passing game is beating the crap out of solid teams. I know a thing or two about WR's Mr. Bigman... I even leave him at #1 WR because he dominates vs #1 CBs and allows my other players to get better match-ups...

And ya, I have no doubt that strength>carrying when breaking tackles, though my WR currently has more carrying than strength and has 5 broken tackles. The whole not fumbling this is an added bonus of course .

I highly suggest you re-read my above post though, because your insane if you think I'm telling him that soft-capping carrying is a good idea... Its a better idea than soft-capping vision, but not a good idea by any means. Reading comprehension ftw...

The hedgehogs QB is averaging 375 yds/game through the air. I'd like to think I know a thing or two about WR's... Not to mention I have 3 WR's with more production than your guy. And no, i'm not impressed by your ypc which was weighed by your 3 long TD's vs that gutted team you just beat the crap out of by 150 pts....

No abrasiveness was meant in my post buddy, so hopefully you don't take it that way. I can just assure that I am not "wrong" is all...

Wow, I don't see how you can comeback from that lol

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Why would I have high vision unsuccessful WR's on my team to give you examples of? lol.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=46636

Chad Hill has 27 vision. Vision is not necessary to be a great WR in any way shape or form. WR's with low vision still run routes and catch balls.... Its also worth noting that my passing game is beating the crap out of solid teams. I know a thing or two about WR's Mr. Bigman... I even leave him at #1 WR because he dominates vs #1 CBs and allows my other players to get better match-ups...

And ya, I have no doubt that strength>carrying when breaking tackles, though my WR currently has more carrying than strength and has 5 broken tackles. The whole not fumbling this is an added bonus of course .

I highly suggest you re-read my above post though, because your insane if you think I'm telling him that soft-capping carrying is a good idea... Its a better idea than soft-capping vision, but not a good idea by any means. Reading comprehension ftw...

The hedgehogs QB is averaging 375 yds/game through the air. I'd like to think I know a thing or two about WR's... Not to mention I have 3 WR's with more production than your guy. And no, i'm not impressed by your ypc which was weighed by your 3 long TD's vs that gutted team you just beat the crap out of by 150 pts....

No abrasiveness was meant in my post buddy, so hopefully you don't take it that way. I can just assure that I am not "wrong" is all...

At the same time just because he is successful without vision, does it mean that other guys can't be successful with it?

No, it does not alex. A very valid point because there are many ways to build a good player.

Personally I am just yet to see a WR putting up good-great numbers w/ softcapped vision. If there is someone out there with a sucessful vision WR I would love to be corrected.

80+ catches and 10+ td's seems reasonable I think. Also worth noting that season 3 my WR was on a team that passed only 55% of its total offense plays (676 out of 1230 or so), so its not as his success was determined by a passing offense.

Also worth noting that neither my #2 WR nor #3 WR, both putting up nice numbers thus far this season, have especially high vision.

I'd also like to appologize to the forum for how conceeded my posts read. I am awful cocky, but I don't mean to write that way, lol.

Honestly I've never even seen a receiver with soft capped vision lol. Mine is about 30 and I plan on keeping it there for a while. It's something that you'd love to have but shouldn't be a top priority IMO.

I mean your route is pre set (Unless there are option routes in this game? No way to know that.) so I dont really buy the finding the hole in the defense thing so much, because when do you ever actually see a receiver here settle down into a zone? I think vision just helps you see the ball sooner and avoid drops mostly, so if you can see the ball you are fine.

Originally posted by Alex44
Honestly I've never even seen a receiver with soft capped vision lol. Mine is about 30 and I plan on keeping it there for a while. It's something that you'd love to have but shouldn't be a top priority IMO.

I mean your route is pre set (Unless there are option routes in this game? No way to know that.) so I dont really buy the finding the hole in the defense thing so much, because when do you ever actually see a receiver here settle down into a zone? I think vision just helps you see the ball sooner and avoid drops mostly, so if you can see the ball you are fine.

...so what would by your suggestion for the build of the receiver shown?