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Ok, I think everyone has had enough time to evaluate how the new Speed/Agility tweaks have affected our WRs.

Is is noticable to you? What have you noticed about it?

Is Agility even more important than Speed now? Or is this whole thing been overblown?

I'm really curious to what everyone thinks. I like to get build information fron the specific position clubs, as the people in these forums seem to actually be willing to help, and not posting just to write a smart-ass reply.

I currently have 2 WRs - a Level 19 and a Level 16. Prior to this season, I had been building them both pretty similar, as I had a decent amount of success with the Level 19, so I figured to stick with what I knew worked. But now, I'm not sure. The thing that worries me, is that its getting to the point in their careers where you can't afford to make any more mistakes. These higher level players only level up every so often, so we need to make the most out of those skill points - especially since the better attributes are probably costing you 2SP's for 1 attribute point.

A good amount of Speed WRs seemed to be built something along the lines of 70 Speed/50 Agility. Do you guys still think 50 Agility is enough now, since it is responsible to how quickly your player gets up to top speed.

Or instead would a 60 Speed/60 Agility build be more effective? Or 65 Speed/55 Agility?

I'm really curious to what everyone has been seeing on their teams and on their players. If we all pitch in with some information, I think we can all feel a lot more comfortable in knowing which way to point our WRs in the future.

Thoughts?

I've heard that the correct ratio is about 3 to 2 speed/agility.

My guy had a pretty good first game and that is about what he has, so we will see.

Yeah, I've also read that the "optimal" ratio is about 3:2. But it remains to be seen whether that is just rumours and speculation or a validated statement.

I have my guys that rely on speed at a 3:2 ratio and they seem to be doing okay.

My guy was at 3:1.7
He played 2 preseason games and was noticeably slower to accelerate and to cut.
I've boosted him and he's now almost exactly 3:2
We'll see how he plays tomorrow.

edit: he's now 3:2.03

Originally posted by Zinger
Yeah, I've also read that the "optimal" ratio is about 3:2. But it remains to be seen whether that is just rumours and speculation or a validated statement.

Well that seems to be just a rumor.

I really don't think that it even makes sense, to be honest. The rumor basically stated that if you weren't at the proper Speed/Agility ratio, then your Speed would be penalized a certain percentage, which I don't see happening.

There are High Speed/Low Agility guys that are still very fast (Colon Grifter), but takes a little longer to get up to top speed, than he did last year.

I don't think anyone's top speed was penalized, I think that Agilty does just what Bort said it would, in that it affects how quickly you get up to top speed.

Originally posted by Bukowski



I don't think anyone's top speed was penalized, I think that Agilty does just what Bort said it would, in that it affects how quickly you get up to top speed.



I think this is exactly what it is. The lower your agility, the longer it takes to get to your top speed. I have a safety in the D-leagues with 50 speed and 12 agility and I have noticed it takes a few seconds to get to his top speed.

Originally posted by carbene
Originally posted by Bukowski




I don't think anyone's top speed was penalized, I think that Agilty does just what Bort said it would, in that it affects how quickly you get up to top speed.



I think this is exactly what it is. The lower your agility, the longer it takes to get to your top speed. I have a safety in the D-leagues with 50 speed and 12 agility and I have noticed it takes a few seconds to get to his top speed.


I've noticed the same.

Originally posted by Bukowski
Ok, I think everyone has had enough time to evaluate how the new Speed/Agility tweaks have affected our WRs.

Thoughts?

The higher your speed, the better you will perform, especially against defenders with less speed than you.

The higher your agility, the better you will perform, especially against defenders with less agility than you.

That's the only "precise formula" in play. You don't get bonuses for having the perfect build; more stats equates to better playing. Sorry if I sound like a smart ass, but it's the truth.

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Originally posted by Bukowski

Ok, I think everyone has had enough time to evaluate how the new Speed/Agility tweaks have affected our WRs.

Thoughts?

The higher your speed, the better you will perform, especially against defenders with less speed than you.

The higher your agility, the better you will perform, especially against defenders with less agility than you.

That's the only "precise formula" in play. You don't get bonuses for having the perfect build; more stats equates to better playing. Sorry if I sound like a smart ass, but it's the truth.

The only player you have is a Level 10 WR.

Sorry if I sound like a smart ass, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I haven't noticed it.... On my team there is a guy who has high speed and now agility, and he is doing alright. It helps to have it for separation from DBs, but once you have that high speed, no one can catch you...

You don't get bonuses for having the perfect build; more stats equates to better playing.

Originally posted by Bukowski
The only player you have is a Level 10 WR.

Sorry if I sound like a smart ass, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Maybe you should have clarified that you don't appreciate answers that don't speculate a misinformed calculation on how to make players magically better by not getting higher stats.

This game, like many others, is very simple. Ratios will not increase your effectiveness. There is no number you should stop at before your abilities mean nothing. Higher stat = more effectiveness out of that stat.

I assure you, Bort did not program the game to favor people who know that this stat means nothing past that number, or this stat is only effective with enough of that other stat. Thinking there's a magic ratio is idiotic.

I'm sorry if you can't take advice from someone who hasn't played as long as you. As far as I see it, I'm only pointing out the obvious, and the only things I'm not extremely keen on is exactly what each of the stats do (a thing that nobody aside from the programmers can clarify correctly), but I do know that whatever they improve, they do it because of a variable being raised in the calculation that determines their effectiveness - nothing more. Players with higher strength will be stronger. Players with higher speed will be faster. It's not rocket surgery.

theres no magic ratio, but with a finite amount of skill increases, there ARE ratios of effectiveness and diminishing returns. saying 'omg lawlz big numberz r teh best duhr' contributes nothing to a discussion where you have to make choices regarding builds. obviously everyone understands that a WR with all 99s is going to be the best; saying that in a thread adds nothing to the conversation and just wastes peoples time.

that being said the OP was a chode for calling out the dude for only being level 10. He should have just called him out for being a dumbass.

Originally posted by knudlen
theres no magic ratio, but with a finite amount of skill increases, there ARE ratios of effectiveness and diminishing returns. saying 'omg lawlz big numberz r teh best duhr' contributes nothing to a discussion where you have to make choices regarding builds. obviously everyone understands that a WR with all 99s is going to be the best; saying that in a thread adds nothing to the conversation and just wastes peoples time.

that being said the OP was a chode for calling out the dude for only being level 10. He should have just called him out for being a dumbass.

Yeah, I hear you.

Its just that I was trying to have a decent discussion, with other fellow WRs - not have a pissing contest.

I mean, obviously we ALL know that higher numbers equates to a higher level of play. My topic was very relevant, is being discussed in multiple players, so I wanted to get a feel on how the WR crowd felt.

But in all honesty, I can't say that I appreciated some guy with a Level 10 WR giving me a smart ass reply, for absolutely no reason.

This guy completely over-simplified my topic, refusing to even try to understand what it is I was talking about. Of course there is no magic ratio that Bort has set into the SIM, but there are Speed/Agility combos that are going to work much better than others - which is what I was trying to get at, which everyone else - except for him - fully understood.

It is what it is. That guy was a dick first and I responded in kind.

i dont think hes being a dick i think hes just slow